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October 25, 2004WaPo on Iran and the al-Qaeda HVT listby Dan Darling at October 25, 2004 4:26 PM
I've got several copies of this Washington Post article in my Inbox and while I think that there are a number of entirely valid (albeit, at least IMO, politically-timed) criticisms of the administration that can be made. It is also my belief that the people, likely in the State Department, who leaked details of the early 2002 negotiations with Iran to the Post are not reporting the full details of what was going on. The article makes some valid criticisms of the administration's approach to the war on terrorism, and I'd still recommend reading it. But there are some egregious errors that the Washington Post makes in this story, either out of ignorance or by design, and as such I thought I'd feel free to point them out. I'll briefly deal first with the issue of Iran and then with the al-Qaeda high-value target (HVT) list. Now to be fair, the Post article starts out pretty good:
This would likely be a UN source, for those who are curious.
Which would be fine, were that in fact the case. The problem is, as the Post itself reported back in September 2002, things didn't work that way:
Now according to press reports, we know that over 160 Saudis who returned from Afghanistan (presumably via Iran) were given the revolving door jail treatment upon their arrival. Among them was none other than the mastermind behind the first Riyadh bombings, who had been promptly released by Saudi authorities after being turned over by the Iranians. Assuming that the Iranians and the Saudis are each aware of the other's respective dalliances with the terror network, citing Iran turning al-Qaeda operatives over to Saudi Arabia as a sign of progress in the war on terrorism doesn't pass the smell test, especially when:
Moving right along in the article ...
They were also being protected by Qods Force, which is the elite of the IRGC, again according to the Post. And it wasn't just Saad, Saif al-Adel, and Mr. Mauritania either - there were over 400 al-Qaeda operatives being harbored by the Iranian government according to both Western and Arab intelligence sources.
Context, context, context. At the time these rules were drawn up, large numbers of al-Qaeda operatives were fleeing into Iran from Afghanistan even as Iran was providing the US and the Northern Alliance with intelligence that was useful in defeating the Taliban regime. So adopting these rules would make a great deal of sense under the circumstances, unless one is of the opinion that we should reward the Iranians for assisting us with defeating lesser enemies while they themselves are helping out the greater ones.
In other words, we didn't shun the Iranian request per se but instead farmed it out to the Afghan government, which we could (and probably did) let us know if there was anything interesting that came up. And before anyone starts screaming about how this is yet another sign of the administration shirking its responsibilities, do keep in mind that we have always resorted to third parties when interacting with countries like Iran ever since the 1979 embassy seizure, so this is hardly a departure from traditional US policy. If Iran had really been serious about stopping al-Qaeda, they could just as easily have handed these individuals over to the UK, France, Germany, Russia, or any of the other European nations that has diplomatic relations with Iran. They didn't, and I think that the fact that the only time in which the Iranians appeared even half-way serious for turning these people over was only after the war in Iraq in return for the Mujahideen-e-Khalq members says a great deal in of itself about how serious they were. Ultimately, what needs to be understood is that if Iran were ever truly serious about getting rid of al-Qaeda members on its soil, there were a multitude of ways in which this could have been accomplished. Moving 200 of them to Ein al-Hilweh isn't among them. The problem is, Iran hasn't done so and as such people need to start asking why exactly that is. The Issue of the al-Qaeda HVT List Moving along to the next topic, we have the issue of the HVT list:
Mike critiques this approach in his book, IIRC, but I still think it's a valid one. Somebody with the experience, planning capabilities, and skill of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed does not come along that easily, though I still think that his entire extended family should be rounded up for the sake of general principle - of the ones who are now in custody, they're all a pretty nasty bunch, though I'm not going to get into the argument of why exactly that is. Ditto for Abu Zubaydah, with his ability to manage hundreds if not thousands of dispersed cells from memory. Zarqawi is also on the HVT list, and I think that recent events should demonstrate just how prudent it was to put his name up there back in 2001.
Also true. The problem is, though, that they only have to be successful once while we have to be successful in thwarting them every time.
Works in theory.
That's because after the first year they had dispersed, whereas they had previously been concentrated in one area. If the US attacked the Kordestan, Central, or Sistan-Baluchistan provinces of Iran, I imagine you'd see a not-inconsiderable rise in the number of HVTs who are captured or killed. Ditto if we invaded Baluchistan or the Northwest Frontier Province in northern Pakistan. Now I'm not recommending either of these options for much the same reasons the administration hasn't chosen to undertake them, but it's still worth noting.
It also includes Abu Faraj al-Libi, but that's neither here nor there. My question is whether we're talking about the current HVT list or the one that got drawn up immediately after 9/11 - these are separate lists with separate names on them. And I don't believe that al-Libi is on the post-9/11 one, whereas he is on the current one.
Not really, because while the top echelons have regrouped along the same lines listed above. There are also additional lists of 50, 200, and 400 that the Post isn't taking into account here. The US has done a heavy number on al-Tawhid in Iraq, for example, but it doesn't show up on the HVT list because the only al-Tawhid member on the list is Zarqawi. That doesn't render the elimination of a sizeable percentage of al-Tawhid's "officer corps" as unimportant or meaningless, however.
I'd agree. I should note, however, that even if the April 2004 Pakistani offensive into Waziristan been entirely successful, we still wouldn't have seen any of the people on the HVT list taken out, as al-Zawahiri was never there to begin with.
There's a somewhat misleading overtone to this statement, as it's referring to known al-Qaeda leaders on the post-9/11 list have been eliminated.
Geez, people. The list they're talking about is likely the same one that has been routinely disseminated to media outlets in the wake of captures like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. It's the post-9/11 list, which is why there's nary a mention of people like al-Libi and why Saif al-Adel is still classified as one of bin Laden's security chiefs. All the same, 75% of the people on it are now in custody or dead, which in of itself represents a powerful victory for the war on terrorism. In conclusion ... Like I said, the article makes some valid criticisms of the administration's approach to the war on terrorism, and I'd still recommend reading it. But these are some of the two more egregious errors that the Post makes in this story, either out of ignorance or by design, and as such I thought I'd feel free to point them out. UPDATE: Reader Mike Daley notes Prof. Cori Dauber has more on the WaPo article from a different perspective: the "Afghanistan vs. Iraq" argument. Tracked: October 23, 2004 2:26 AM
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I thought the most important point made by the article--more important than negotiations with the Iranians or the target list--was this one, about the difficulties of walking and chewing gum at the same time: Twenty months after the invasion of Iraq, the question of whether Americans are safer from terrorism because Saddam Hussein is no longer in power hinges on subjective judgment about might-have-beens. What is not in dispute, among scores of career national security officials and political appointees interviewed periodically since 2002, is that Bush's choice had opportunity costs -- first in postwar Afghanistan, then elsewhere. Iraq, they said, became a voracious consumer of time, money, personnel and diplomatic capital -- as well as the scarce tools of covert force on which Bush prefers to rely -- that until then were engaged against al Qaeda and its sources of direct support. The article gives examples, e.g. redeployment of Task Force 5 members. Of course, it's possible to accept this point and to still believe that going to war with Iraq was the right thing to do (because of the benefits of overthrowing Saddam Hussein). But when you weigh the costs and benefits, you need to consider the costs of moving scarce resources (special forces, CIA) from Afghanistan to Iraq. "I support the decision to go into Iraq and topple Saddam Hussein's regime," said Downing, a former U.S. Special Operations Command chief. "But in fact it was a gamble of sorts because Iraq did take focus and energy away from the Afghanistan campaign." Anybody here read Steve Coll's Ghost Wars? It's a very good behind-the-scenes description of how the CIA supported the Islamist resistance to the Soviet invasion, and then tried to track down and capture or kill bin Laden. Unlike Woodward or Hersh, Coll provides sources for his information. It gives a good picture of how complicated Afghanistan was, and how many different players were involved. One minor comment on the blog post: In other words, we didn't shun the Iranian request per se but instead farmed it out to the Afghan government.... This wasn't an Iranian request: "Twice in the coming year, Washington passed requests for Tehran to deliver al Qaeda suspects to the Afghan government." It was a request from the US to Iran. The Iranian request (which the US didn't respond to) was for the US to interrogate some prisoners at Guantanamo, suspects in the killing of Iranian diplomats.
#2 from Mike Daley at 1:07 am on Oct 23, 2004
Dan, http://www.rantingprofs.com/rantingprofs/2004/10/retired_army_ge.html I find it appalling that the implicit assumption in all of these types of articles (and the corresponding complaints) is that America isn't even capable of fighting a war on two fronts at the same time. Geez, in WWII we fought in Europe, Asia and Africa at the same time and won. Now we can't even pursue some bad guys and fight in Iraq at the same time? Give me a break! Dan! I think you've invented a new artform! Pseudo-intel fisking! :-) I wonder if the concentration on high value targets isn't itself a digression. Does anybody think that if they had just gotten rid of Columbus Europeans would never have invaded the New World? Once Columbus had demonstrated that there was a there there getting rid of a few top guys wouldn't have made a great deal of difference. "I find it appalling that the implicit assumption in all of these types of articles (and the corresponding complaints) is that America isn't even capable of fighting a war on two fronts at the same time. Geez, in WWII we fought in Europe, Asia and Africa at the same time and won. Now we can't even pursue some bad guys and fight in Iraq at the same time?" Apparently not. Look, WWII was a total war: the side with the most men and the most weapons would win. The US mobilized an army of 8 million, and the UK and the Soviet Union were fighting on the side of the Allies. This is not a total war. The key isn't to destroy the enemy's army--the 1991 Gulf War was the last time someone was stupid enough to try to fight a conventional war against the US. Instead, the enemy is concealed among the general population. The key is intelligence and political support: you need to isolate and identify the enemy. To do this, you need CIA and Special Forces who can speak the native language, and they're pretty scarce. All the weapons in the US arsenal, including the nuclear weapons, aren't going to win the war if you don't know who they should be aimed at. Winning this war requires solid intelligence, not maximum destructive power. The US has unlimited destructive power, but it doesn't have unlimited intelligence assets.
#7 from AMac at 11:20 pm on Oct 25, 2004
Russell Wvong (6:30pm) wrote: Instead, the enemy is concealed among the general population. The key is intelligence and political support: you need to isolate and identify the enemy. Wretchard made much the same point today, though he is more guardedly optimistic about the prospects for a relatively favorable long-run outcome in Iraq.
Time will tell.
#8 from praktike at 1:54 am on Oct 26, 2004
Hey, Dan! When are your sponsors going to get you a copy of this so that you don't have to use MS Word or memorize everything anymore? Looks cool, how much does it cost?
#10 from praktike at 3:21 pm on Oct 26, 2004
Probably a few thousand. But apparentely its what the CTEG has been using.
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