Great job! Bravo well done Joe!

My wife and all the moms with sons and daughters serving thank you. All the men and women in uniform in harms way both now and in the past thank you.

It's time this story broke into the light of day. The MSM has been relunctant to run with it. Sources indicate MSNBC has a program already in the can but were encouraged not to run it by certain governmental officials.

Matsumoto is a true American patriot and has battled many attempts by those involved to discredit him. He reports the facts straight up as he found them during his investigation over the last several years. Matsumoto allows readers to draw their own opinions and conclusions.

In fact Matsumoto challenges the Blogosphere to fact check and if all possible shred what he's found. For starters use the following key words in various combinations in Google searches. You will be amazed at what you will find:

BioPort with Vaccine-A or anthrax

against these words:

Alibek
Crowe
Alving
squalene
Asa
auto immune
Gulf War Syndrome or Illness

As Lt. Columbo would do, just as a hunch one more thing, I would encourage federal law enforcement agencies in their search for the source of the 9/11 Anthrax Letters to take a closer look at those having some connection with BioPort. Then I'd compare anthrax DNA signatures and see what sewer rats may emerge.

If we have a rear guard action driven by greed and abandonement of medical ethics by pharmaceuticals out to make a fast buck like ENRON, then we must excise this swiftly and carry on to win this war.

This goes beyond the War On Terror and could compromise civilian vaccines used to innoculate against the dreaded scourges of mankind.

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The Power and Politics of Blogs - Blessed be for the Internet and the Blogosphere!

I too believe as Tim Oren, this war is all about ideology - "A War of Good vs. Evil:"

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Our Country was deliberately attacked without provocation by Islamofascist terrorists. The great oceans no longer provide us safe haven from the “crazies” of the world. The “over there,” is now “here” in our homeland. Many innocent lives were lost, for who we are, for what we believe, and for what we stand, whether under God or not – FREEDOM! We must be resolute and decisive. As President Bush so correctly said, we are a tolerant people but once aroused, we are a fierce adversary

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I'm done

But we trust our government and their representitives in the armed forces.

Don't we?

The U.S. has routinely failed its veterans and worse. There is much talk about "supporting the troops," and not much behind. Soldiers have been used in experiments without their knowledge and consent at least since the Cold War period.

While it's important to look into the possible causes of GWS, it's also important not to miss some obvious pieces of evidence. British, Australian and other countries' troops that were deployed in GWI all show similar signs and symptoms in the same higher levels as those seen in US troops deployed to the region. As far as I can find, they did not all have this same vaccine. If anyone has information that says otherwise I'd be interested in more info about it.

IXLNXS: As a great man once said: trust, but verify.

Here's the abstract from another recently published article on possible causes:

Is Gulf War Syndrome really a mystery?
Emmerova M, Jirava F.
Med Confl Surviv. 2004 Jul-Sep;20(3):209-17

"Since the end of the 1991 Gulf War about 20,000 United States veterans and similar proportions of troops from other allied contingents have been affected by a variety of symptoms which have collectively become known as 'Gulf War Syndrome'. Similar symptoms have been reported in Iraqi civilians including children. Despite extensive investigations no agreement has been reached on whether there is an underlying cause or causes. In this article, the principal features of the illness are summarised and some of the proposed causes discussed. It is proposed that the common cause is the toxic smoke from incomplete combustion of oil from burning wells, and this hypothesis is related to the known toxicology of two likely combustion products, nitric oxide and carbon monoxide. The effect of this proposal on possible investigations and treatment is considered."

I don't have access to this particular journal online, but think I will try to swing by the library and grab a copy next week. I've seen the oil fires mentioned before, but hadn't seen it explored thoroughly, or seen the Iraqi civilian numbers noted (I think geographic location compared to that of the fires along with wind patterns would be important here).

Someone asked a very good deductive question above. Other GWI mil personnel apparently not infected.

AHH the beauty of the Blogosphere. You're question is right on the mark but your answer is not quite right.

Yes other troops have not exhibited signs of GWS. That would be the French. For whatever reason they had their noses to high in the air and used another vaccine! Go figure that one.

The US, Canadians, and UK all had shots from VAC A stocks. All have folks with GWS symptoms.

Here's a clencher. Matsumoto's research (I believe included in HSPIG summary indicates at least with our service personnel it didn't matter if you went to the Gulf or not. If you received an inoculation with VAC A stock you were at risk for getting GWS. In short there are our folks that exhibit GWS and never were deployed to the Gulf!

Ron Wright, Moderator
HSPIG Forums Site
www.hspig.org

Does it sound suspicious that we have several hundred thousand Gulf Veterans with GWS, they all are from the US, Great Britain, Canada and Australia. These are the only troops with GWS, all the other countries who did not take the “experimental” anthrax shots have do not have GWS?????
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to make a connection that the Anthrax shot possibly is the connection!!!
Gary Masamoto just put out a book, highly documented with FACTS not supposition, it is called Vaccine-A, his web is www.Vaccine-A.com .
It has been reviewed by Homeland Security Policy Institute Group in their Forum www.hspig.org a non profit.
It appears they "spiked" the “experimental, non FDA approved” anthrax shots to get them to "take" and what they "spiked" them with (squalene) is now causing the GWS as it does in lab rats.
I don't want to be treated as a government "lab rat" do you.......Most of the GWS veterans are reserve or National Guard, how can we get VA benefits when the government denies that our injuries are service connected when they cover up the “spike” in the anthrax shot???
As Col. Hackworth USA puts it "read and weep"

AH AH

Someone is rising to the challenge and is pointing out potentials errors in Matsumoto's book.

This is exactly what needs to take place as the Blogosphere begins to come online to fact check this story.

Hopefully by the end of this exercise we will all learn what the truth of the matter is.

John Cohen who writes for Science magazine and is on the masthead of the Boston Review says at Slate:

Anthrax Scare
Did the military secretly doctor its anthrax vaccine?

By Jon Cohen
Posted Tuesday, Nov. 16, 2004, at 1:00 PM PT

In Vaccine A: The Covert Government Experiment That's Killing Our Soldiers—and Why GI's Are Only the First Victims, Gary Matsumoto struggles for nearly 300 pages to justify his book's subtitle. Matsumoto's contention, as he first reported in a 1999 Vanity Fair article that triggered a congressional hearing, is that the U.S. military's anthrax vaccine causes a constellation of autoimmune diseases and symptoms such as lupus, rashes, hair loss, and aching joints that fall under the rubric known as Gulf War Syndrome. He makes the case that the military secretly spiked the vaccine with squalene, a fat naturally found in the body that, when injected as part of a vaccine, supercharges the immune system's ability to make antibodies. He accuses the Department of Defense of slipping this experimental vaccine past the Food and Drug Administration and involving unwitting troops in a human test that Matsumoto repeatedly equates with Nazi experimentation and the infamous Tuskegee syphilis study. The vaccine harmed "possibly tens of thousands" of troops, he warns, and millions of doses now are being prepared for public use.

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OK. Will let the med geeks duke it out. But the one thing that sticks out in my mind. Those troups that got our VAC A stocks get GWS (US, UK, Aussies, and Canadians). The French did not get our VAC A and don't get GWS or that's what the literature is showing.

Could the French be wired differently?

Ron Wright

I noted that blog "Phil Carter (author of Intel Dump) emails me to note that Jon Cohen penned a very critical review of Mastumoto's book in Slate last month. It's an excellent summation of the other side of the argument."
I would agree that it was a very critical review but it lacked the emperical data to back up the argument against Vaccine-A.
I'll put my money on Vaccine-A and by doing so maybe we can get the government to put their (our) money into taking care of the Veteran "Lab rats."
A little bit of knowledge can be dangerous if it is not sourced. With held knowledge is the food for blogging.
I hope you can prove me wrong as well as the people looking into the matter at www.hspig.org.

Major USA

The blogoshphere is a great forum for discussion, what we all need to remind ourselves is that because someone say's "it's so" doesn't mean it is correct........Dan Rather found that out by putting common sense behind personal ideals.
Now for GWS this is a very serious subject to me as I am 100% disabled and have listened and been open to any and all who could come up with a common sense reason backed with documentation for my GWS symptoms.
Gary Matsamoto's book Vaccine-A, was that rare document which just made sense. The more I read and looked and the documentation the more I was convinced. I have 35 years of service, I do not take casually the thought that I could have been a "Lab Rat" I hate to even use the term BUT I am a realist not an idealist, middle management are the people who advise the TOWER if middle management can be corrupted by the enticement of a job once they retire I believe SOME will look the other way.
Those that are honest and principled then are left with a bag of no win decisions......Blow the whistle, and loose my job........Keep quite as LONG AS POSSIBLE...then if asked speak out.
The blogoshphere is now giving these individuals another option to speak out and get their message out without fear of retaliation.
I have a habit of looking for a motive for any action taken by a person, why would a journalist with the credentials of Gary Matsamoto’s stick his neck and reputation out on an issue that he felt wasn't true......I don't think these types of books make that much money??
On the other hand I keep seeing self serving documents and statements from Government Health employees which when researched are a stretch at best from the truth.
I don't think GWS was exposure to petrol chemicals, the reason I feel this way is none of the people living still in the area have GWS. The one compelling answer is that the troops who were not given the Anthrax shot do not have GWS....
The Government states that squalene was ONLY found in part per billion, well lets think about that......if part per billion can make your body respond so that you can test positive for a test that you have been exposed then it appears that it most be enough to cause a reaction.
This is somewhat like what causes cancer...we know what it does how to detect it and in some cases but not all what causes it...
Common sense not political correctness is the call for action in GWS possibly we need people who have some other skills should be used to help in the investigation???
We are the GREATEST Country in the world; those that hate us do so because they envy us. Lets see if possibly "squalene" is the cause of GWS, I personally don't care who finds it out and probably won't be alive because of it to know the answer but lets keep blogging and WE will find the answer, let the "chips fall" were they may. We need some Radio talk hosts to pick up on this issue where are you guys??????
We fought for our Country now support the controversy this is to big to be up-staged by pedophiles and a few wife killers.

Major USA

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to All!

Here's a teaser. I'm wrapping presents and snuck over to the laptop.

If it is not clear, this is an opinion/commentary statement to challenge those to debate this issue.

I will post a more reasoned summary after the weekend. Maybe some might do a little of their own googling with they keywords I listed previously.

One of Matsumoto's principal scientific researchers he basis his work on is Dr. Pam Asa. She is an immunologist. She assisted in developing the assay test that detects squalene antibodies in the blood.

Her work has been severely criticised in other works by those less knowledgeable than she. They also have a vested interest in this vaccine technology. Did I say money here? Others have claimed her assay test is bunk. Wrong, this test was developed by the premier leader in the field that by the way is the one that developed the tests for HIV. No small task. Others are picking at knits who don't fully understand the genetic and molecular biology going on here or don't want it to become known. I'm not saying I do either but I've gotten a sig dose of molecular biology via the phone recently.

Coincidently those doing most of the complaining are either on Uncle Sam's foodchain or one step removed and are receiving federal funding for their own research projects. These are the reports that are offered to disprove Dr. Asa's findings. These venues run at face value and are not peer reviewed. Now who is going to tell the Emperor his wears no clothes? Bottom line is there has been a total collapse of self regulation of publich health professionals involved that should know better. For further on this see a story in the LA Times last Monday for the blatant conflicts that many researchers in NIH have. I'll provide the link later.

As they say, you the jury decide for yourself what is the truth. Hint - if you guess wrong your children and their childrens' lives may be at stake because of flawed or loss of confidence in vaccines needed needed to prevent the lethal scourges of mankind - smallpox. Anthrax is small potatoes and can be easily treated with antibiotics if caught soon enough. If you hear of one case of smallpox in some remote part of Alaska, I'd run for the hills and avoid human contact because you can assume one of these ethically challenged folks has "screwed the pooch."

Dr Asa did a research project that was published in a respected peer reviewed journal in her field. No small task and not peopled by folks on the federal payroll. This is at the cutting edge of the body's immune system. The pharmaceutical industry is playing with fire here. Instead of finding these problems during animal studies they fast tracked or ramped up these clinical trials from lab rats to humans.

Ooophs did I say the men and women in uniform that can't refuse to take the vaccines that they have been told are safe because we told you so. As I said I smell several rats in the works. My bloodhound detective nose here says follow the money trail.

Here's a brief summary. Marilyn Wright, Dr. PH, MPH, OTR who gisted Matsumoto's book, is working on a synopsis on Dr. Asa's work. Actually Dr. Asa made the connection while doing a presentation on the auto-immune problem with silicon breast implants victims. These women also suffer from a similar immunologic response that attacks their body's own cells. It dawned on her that many young men (sorry this usually occurs much more freq in women with or without breast implants) were developing these same symptoms MS, ALS, et al. This was very strange.

And yes, squalene is a naturally occurring substance in the body. But the body has the unique ability to distinguish between what is "self" and "not self." This is as the very root of the problem. And yes, this at the nano level as there have been criticisms about dosages.

Those who received VAC A either military or civilian and deployed to ME in GWI that displayed GWS:

All had antibodies present for squalene.

Also there were some people that received VAC A, had GWS, and never left the states (A clue perhaps):

All had antibodies present for squalene

Those who received VAC A and did not developed GWS:

All had NO antibodies present for squalene.

There were control groups that included those that did not receive VAC A of service people, breast implant victims, and others with a host of auto-immune related diseases.

Almost none had antibodies for squalene. The few that did, had other vaccines suspected of having squalene adjuvants or had major invasive surgery.

Not in Dr. Asa's study but mentioned above, troops from the US, UK, Canada, and Australia all received US VAC A stocks. All of these groups had people that later developed GWS. Surprisingly, the French as a group did not receive VAC A, never developed GWS (Another clue).

Now ladies and gentlemen of the jury, is there any plausible explanation other than Scott Peterson being the causal factor in the death of Lacy Peterson?

For a good read on the science here but not mentioning the GWS problem. See the Jan 05 issue of Sci American. Vaccine researchers are now trying to establish the range of the "volume control" on the adjuvants in vaccines. In other words too much invokes an auto-immune response that does not differentiate between the injected squalene and the body's own. The body's own comes from fatty foods and is coated with a wax like substance in the digestive process.

This squalene is ignored as "self" by the immune system. There are other substances that are "sequestered" from the body's immune system but if detected by immune system may be attacked. For instance when the retina in an eye becomes detached a substance bound behind not normally seen by the immunce system, sometimes invokes an auto-immune response and is attacked by the antibodies.

Next installment we go up to 9/11.

Matsumoto and Dr. Asa suspect dosage related clinical trials were being run with the new experimental vaccine, "mislabeled" of course.

Given the high medical ethics demonstrated here, there is NO relationship between the 9/11 anthrax letters and our labs that were also producing the new vaccine.

OOOPHS! did you copy MIBs there IS NO RELATIONSHIP NADA with our labs? Please continue with the national security blackout on this investigation for the safety of our service people and the American people from a heinous attack from al Qaeda should these strategic secrets be compromised.

I'm done. Any cross or rebuttal?

Ron Wright

Ron,

A number of possibilities come to mind. There are few points here where you slip into innuendo, for instance, and attempt to disqualify critics who have associations with the government. While that's a relevant point, it can't be the only one.

We'll need to have a good debate about all of this at some point, possibly via volleying interviews in the New Year.

Yes, I know I'm spiking and baiting a little.

I'm trying to fire off the debate and yes a volley between sites because I believe such a heated debate may force the truth to emerge.

But you're right others probably are a little distracted right now. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all!*

If what Matsumoto and Dr. Asa are saying is true then we have a big "OH SHI-" trouble right here in River City"

Trouble, oh we got trouble,
Right here in River City!
With a capital "T" [T cells] (The Music man).

That's why it so importmant to blow this book out of the water now - to out as bad science if possible. This is not about egos, professional reputations, or a little fraud on the US Gov't, the risks are damn "freekin" great.

Dr. Asa says a clinical trial is about to begin on children in Japan using MF59 (squalene) as the adjuvent for a disease (snotty nose) of little consequence and risk.

The whole world of vaccines is being put at risk in this dash to create vaccines to counter bioterror threats. The real danger of an anthrax attack getting out of control is very low once detected.

On the otherhand, if smallpox is used as the bioterror agent, this is a doomsday WMD beyond all belief rocking the core existance of mankind. Remember aQ uses low tech weapons and has an ideology/religion still stuck in the 12th Century.

Yes, The New Testiment's final War of Armageddon as described in Revelation to John (16:16).

See article:

[Smallpox] - A Gap in Local Bioterrorism Response

and this one. Don't read this one alone:

The Looming Threat

That's right a real barn burner. And for what - so that a few greedy folks can make a few bucks by "salting the mines" (anthrax letters), generating a little panic to create demand for their vaccine to counter a bioweapon agent of no consequence. Did not occur to them the envelopes would that leak the refined anthrax? DAH! Darn it got loose did it in the mail sorting machines! And you want these folks playing with this stuff?

Please remember as I said above, Dr. Ken Alibek's opinion is the whole Bio-Shield concept of producing vaccines to defend against a bioterror attack is fatally flawed. The enemy can morp/mutate pathogens faster than vaccines can be developed/produced to counter. This is not a solution that works. And were playing with fire we don't completely understand that can burn the whole house down!

We are putting the very lives of our children and their children at risk in this game of chicken.

Ron

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• Un PC Greeting - Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

That's fine by me. "Merry Christms" - no problem here with me.

The last I heard this was a free country with freedom of speech. If "juice bars" and gentlemens' clubs are protected then it's damn well OK for me to shout,

Have a very Merry Christmas, a Happy New Year, a Happy Hanukkah, pat the Buddha on his head, say a a little prayer to a cow, and God bless the rats, and to the Allah of the Islamofascists who can go to Heaven with the 72 black eyed virgins that await all Jihadist martyrs.

So have one hell of a New Year!!!

And if those that have nothing better to do than complain and worry whether things are PC or not, they can stick their heads where the sun doesn't shine and shut the "bejeesus" up.

Now that's my"freekin" opinion and I'm sticking to it.

The PC police can come to my desk and I'll gladly fork over my $1 for inappropriate use of their network.

Oh and one thing more -

MAY GOD BLESS AMERICA -

and the troops that go into harm's way to protect what we hold most dear and cherish -

FREE WILL OF MEN AND WOMEN, FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF RELIGION AND THOUGHT -

and finally and most important of all -

The Right of a FREE PEOPLE to choose those to govern - WE THE PEOPLE

For which our brave men and women have fought and died for in far of lands and now in our Homeland

Many innocent lives were lost, for who we are, for what we believe, and for what we stand, whether under God or not – FREEDOM! We must be resolute and decisive.

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As President Bush so correctly said, we are a tolerant people but once aroused, we are a fierce adversary.

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FREEDOM FREEDOM FFREEDOM

After all isn't this the true meaning of Christmas in any language and culture.

OK I fee better now. I'm done.

Ooophs! Forgot - one more thing.

Yes, our government has done an exhaustive and very thorough analysis of the threat risk of aQ, the weapons they have at their disposal, and their attack strategies.

The White Horse from DC is not coming to your or my town anytime soon to the rescue. They're busy prosecuting this war and what's left here aren't the sharpest tools in the toolbox.

I'm sorry I for one do not feel safe. This is the same government that is spending millions of scare dollars to frisk old ladies with wire in their bras because they might be suicidal Islomfascist agents intent on blowing up planes.

Folks the relative risk of an old lady being a terrorist approaches a probability of zero with longer odds than winning the California Lottery.

Folks this Country is at war. The sooner we the American people unite both left and right to crush this enemy the sooner we can return to normal times. This enemy has been at war with us for the last thirty years. We only became somewhat aware of this on 9/11.

We, the American people, must collectively defend are own backyards while our brave men and women in arms carry this fight to the enemy. They need to have the assurance we will protect their homes and loved ones here in the Homeland.

This administration may have no other choice as politically they are limited by those who would challenge them at every step of the way on some trival un PC issue.

All this because we can't incovenience or offend a few people during this unique time when we have never faced before by an asymmetrical, embedded, very cunning enemy whose religious cult like mission is to kill or convert everyone one of us. Especially the great scapegoats of all their wrongs, "The Great Satan - The United States of American and the Little Satan those swine the Israelis."

AQ is very aware of our tolerance of other cultures and religions that makes this Country so great, and will exploit this at every opportunity that presents itself.

Can we for a brief time let our un PC guard down a little until we can crush the fatalistic and failed ideology and wipe it from the face of the earth?

And there's the issue at point. Are the global pharma conglomerates running amuck and gaming the market to profit on this war while the cat's away? Need I say ENRON? Shades of FOX Network's "24 HOURS" all over again. Just who is the real enemy here anyway.

And lastly there comes a time you'd think those who follow extremist Islamofascism ideology that justifies the slaughter of innocents would look inward and question their own "religious" leaders and government leaders at to why they are still stuck in the 12TH Century. Could they have some fault too?

As Dr. Phil says all the time to his guests, "Now, how's that workin out for you?"

OK I'm done - let's break - bring on the food and goodies and have a very MERRY Christmas!

While I haven't studied the squalene issue, I have to confess to more than a little scepticism, on several grounds.

First, I'm generally wary of grand conspiracy theories. People screw up and blab about the simplest things even when only two people are involved, so the idea of vast networks of ingenious, close-mouthed conspirators is pretty much out of court.

Second, if I recall my organic chemistry correctly (and I do), squalene is the last step in the biosynthesis of cholesterol. As such, it occurs naturally in cells, albeit probably at low concentrations. So I don't what to make of reports of antibodies to it being found in people.

Third, the often breathless tenor of the commentary on this topic further heightens my scepticism. I'd be much more impressed by a sober, dispassionate weighing of evidence than dark insinuations that "they" planned all this, particularly when the "they" includes big pharma, with which I have the experience to know that that is rubbish.

Fourth, many people take squalene orally. Granted, that's different from parenteral administration, but you'd think that chronically taking hundreds of milligrams orally (as opposed to probably a few milligrams once sub cutaneously) would provoke some heightened immune response in some fraction of those taking the stuff for their health. Do such reports exist?

Further to this point, squalene isn't all that far off of vitamin E in structure; effectively, it's vitamin E's big brother, and lots of people take that every day with no noticeable adverse effects. (Although once again, that is oral administration rather than parenteral.)

So far all these reasons, although I haven't studied the issue yet, I strongly suspect that the allegations are nonsense.

Nonsense Eh? I appreciate Joe posting this. I had followed the gulf war syndrome story kind of offhand. I was under the impression that it was only and issue with the 91 war vets. After Joe posted this I started looking into Gary M's research and I can say that I have almost every symptom and I didnt put it together until now. I contacted Gary and found out that the lot of vacinne I was given in 2003 was one that has caused problems. This is a big deal now because everyone that was deploying to theater for this war was given this vaccine, I think the numbers were around 3 to 500,000 people that deployed for the initial action when you include all the ships etc.
I can honestly say that I have not been the same since the war, both in the way I feel and with all my medical problems that have just cropped up in the last year. I have been in 22 years and have plans to do thirty, up until this year when I went to medical for routine stuff, physicals etc. the doctor ussually asks what happend to my original medical record becuase it was so thin, most of them commented that a person with my length of service would have one an inch thicker than mine, this was differant people at differant times. In the last year I have added that inch with a myriad of problems one after another. I just came from the emergency room as a matter of fact, first time I had ever gone, over christmas my index finger swelled up the size of a golf ball for no reason, I was diagnosed with abseccing cellulitis and spent an hour on an IV with the most powerful anti-biotics they had, the doctor that treated me said they have been seeing an unusual outbreak of it in active duty people and didnt know why but it was ussually only found in immuno suppressed people or diabetics, I asked her what she specifically meant by immuno suppressed and she stated "AIDS patients" all my hiv tests (annual) have come back negative.
I am a top ranked Chief Warrant Officer in my field, I am not a malingerer or a malcontent. I fully support the Iraq mission and would go back in a heartbeat if I could.
I am glad this issue hit the blogospere as it deserves fact checking. At this point I wish that the arguments and fact checking didnt center on conspiracy theorys but more from an aspect of awareness, I have a fear that there may be many guys walking around just like me with a bunch of unexplained problems. In my case my record speaks for itself but that may not be so with a guy with only a few years in, civilians may not understand this but its true, there are guys that feign illness all the time and medical personnel may be skeptical of them, I hope that if the blogospere raises the awareness enough that the medical community will take notice and recognize that this is a problem. I have so far been reluctant to discuss these problems with medical becuase it is a potential career ender and I am not ready to retire but thanks to winds of change I have resolved to go in and request the immino tests, in conjunction I am going to file a vaccination problem report with walter reed hospital. It will probably end my career, this is very painful.
I dont consider myself a victim of some conspiracy, we really beleived there was a threat of WMDs being used and I beleive that in the end the military had my best interest in mind when they gave us that vaccine. The victim thing really clouds this issue. I have loved the blogospere for the last few years, before it was cool, I always loved how I had moore current information and knowledge than almost anyone I ever discussed the issues with but I never envisioned it helping me personnaly on an important issue such as my health.
Thanks Joe for posting this, it is a big deal with potential major implications for our national security, what if 10% of acive duty and reserve forces get crippled with this.
This comment is real, since it discusses my personal medical problem I wont use my real email.

Ran out of room, By the way typing this was a bi*ch with my hand all wrapped up and being on vicodin.
As far as the oral argument against squalen, it isnt a valid comparison, eating it and injecting it have differant effects, check it out. Gary M's research is very well done on this. If there are any spelling or gramatical errors above I blame it on the vicodin.

Occam's Beard,

As I said I've been spiking a little here to get this discussion going. Joe's comment that most folks are distracted now anyway is probably right. We'll fire this up after the first of the year.

In the meantime I thought I would try to answer your questions.

Most of the time I'm inclined to agree with you. I have Snopes.com on my desktop and take most things people send me with many grains of salt. I'm not big into conspiratory occult things either. In the OJ trial the defense's case in chief was an alleged big conspiracy by LAPD.

Having worked major crimes during my thirty years in law enforcement including high tech economic crimes cases, things happen, evidence sometimes gets mishandled, the smoking gun is never found, witnesses see, perceive, and hear different things, in short nothing is ever perfect. In fact if it was, I would be the first in line to say "setup." There is no way that LAPD could pull such a plot out of the hat with only several hours notice and execute it perfectly. It's a good day when you can anticipate and avoid fowlups and misteps.

In real cases nothing is ever perfect as people are involved. At the end of the day when all the testimony and evidence is in, the jury is the ultimate trier of fact as to the truth of the matter. In the recent Peterson case as I mentioned above, in the end there was no other plausible explanation on how Lacy Peterson unfortunately ended up in the San Francisco Bay than Scott Peterson being a cold and calculating two-timing SOB without invoking UFOs.

Yes, you are quite correct that squalene occurs naturally in the body. Yes, there is a cottage health supplement industry where you can buy squalene. Yes, squalene is part of the process in which the body makes cholesterol. But as I attempted to explain earlier, antibodies specific to squalene are not normally found in the blood.

If antibodies are present the immune system detected squalene not of "self" and made antibodies to attack. Unfortunately these antibodies indiscriminately attack all matching squalene including "self." You are correct squaline that is injected rather than injested is identified as foreign. Matsumoto and Dr. Asa are saying the immune system runs amuck. This is the cause of the auto immune related disorders seen in Gulf War vets. I will say again, this is at the nano level involving minute amounts of squalene.

As for the darkside stuff I did hype it a bit. This harks to motive - Why? We intend to answer this as this debates progresses. There's nothing really sinister here other than plain old human greed, egos, protecting reputations, conflicts of interests, and trying to make pigs fly. A lot of money was spent and it wasn't until late in the development proccess was it learned that pigs aren't very aerodynamic. As in any economic/fraud crime, the key is to follow the "buck" and it will generally show motivation and reveal who the players are. Of course it helps if there are jilted significant others who can show the way.

Realizing pigs don't fly, you decide to make them into footballs and boot them through the goal posts. This train is a long way down the tracks under a head of steam. This was largely driven by encouragement of the NIH and the FDA fast tracking clincial trials and approvals. The pharmas are heavily invested and the developers may have placed side bets on the outcome. And lets not forget service personnel were used as guinea pigs without their knowledge. If this train is not stopped a train wreck is on the horizon.

Many of these questions have already been answered. Check out the HSPIG Forums Site in our special section on the anthrax:

Link Here

Also check out Matsumoto's discussion board where he answers in great detail many of these same questions and criticisms:

Link Here

In the near future HSPIG will distill these responses and post them in the FAQ's under the anthrax heading.

I will post some of Matsumoto's key responses in this forum including a rebuttal to the recent critique by Cohen in Slate.

We only seek the truth here. We have no hidden agendas other that to protect the interests of our brave men and woman in uniform that must submit to vaccinations.

See this link to the site of two Air Guard Pilots forced to resign over refusal to take vaccine:

Link Here

LA Times Story on NIH's many conflicts of interest while at sametime receiving funds from drug manufacturers:

Link Here

Check this site that is warehousing anthrax vaccine articles and info:

Link Here

Ron

Ron,

Thank you for your courteous and reasoned counter-argument, which I appreciate.

Just to clarify, I'm not saying the allegations are necessarily untrue, but rather that I think they are likely to be untrue, for the reasons cited.

And, in fairness, I haven't done my homework on this issue, so the above is just my first impression.

Much of evidence seems to be anecdotal ("I was fine, then X happened, and later I was sick, so X must have made me sick"). (This is a post hoc ergo propter hoc argument very much like the allegations surrounding silicone breast implants, which a National Academy of Sciences study debunked).

The problem with arguments derived from anecdotes is that they fail to take account of other uncontrolled variables that also changed during the operative period. The most obvious of these is time; people are more likely to get sick when they get older. Gulf War I veterans had never before had anthrax vaccinations, but they also had never been to Iraq, never been exposed to oil fires, never been exposed to the infectious agents of that part of the world, and never been a decade older before either.

So how do you choose the causal agent to which you attribute a given phenomenon? I had a full head of hair when I went to graduate school; now it's gone. Grad school must cause hair loss! A jocular example, but you see my point.

One small point regarding antibodies to squalene: squalene is squalene, regardless of source. Whether it is autogenous or exogenous, it's exactly - and I mean exactly - the same stuff. No difference whatever, in either physicochemical or biological properties.

While biological macro molecules such as proteins from different sources can differ through, e.g., glycosylation and folding (in which case they're not really the same stuff, but that may not be apparent without careful study), that is not true of a low molecular weight compound such as squalene. (For reference, proteins have molecular weights > 10,000, while squalene has a molecular weight

(Sorry, cut off. Apparently a "less than" symbol does that.)

of less than 500.) Autogenous and exogenous squalene therefore have exactly the same antigenicity; the pure materials are indistinguishable.

Squalene is squalene, just as sodium chloride is sodium chloride, and vitamin C is vitamin C, regardless of source, the assertions of organic food aficionados and health food store proprietors notwithstanding.

Last, regarding the comment above on following the “bucks,” vaccine production is not a lucrative business, which is why most companies got out of the business years ago. It’s a low margin, capital- and labor-intensive, high potential liability business that few are intrepid (foolish?) enough to stay in. Anyone who produces vaccines to make big bucks shouldn’t be allowed to cross the street by himself.

Really appreciate the comments. This is the very thing we are trying to foster here. We need to blow this off the deck or we have serious things that need to be attended to.

As I said before, the MSM is too scared to run with this story so that the American people can decide the truth of the matter. And if necessary hold the government WE THE PEOPLE choose to govern. No one should be afraid to speak their opinion or offer their thoughts.

This may be a national security issue more for covering some peoples' butts than any real threat enabling or helping the enemy.

With that said, yes many have bailed out of the vaccine world but there is still a demand in the civilian market. Say if you were able to off the liability overhead in your clinical trials and essentially have no risk developing your product for the civilian makt, would it then be profitable. Whether there was any criminal wrong doing here remains to be seen. But BioPort thru exemptions by the gov't shifted their liability onto the gov't.

Further because of the Feres Bill your test subjects must comply without question and can't sue the gov't and or you. And let's add to the mix a little and say the NIH which should have been watching is compromised (see link to LA Times story above) and the folks in the DOD VAc shop are invested in the pharma industry, do you see a receipe for disaster at least from the troop level.

Who's watching out for them. That's the mission HSPIG is taking on. HSPIG is moving into this fray to cover their backs. These folks have enough to worry about fighting this war, let alone a rear guard action that may not have their best interests at heart.

Here's another teaser I just posted over at Dean's World to get people to start thinking about this.

Link Here

Also I have Dr. Asa's research papers she published on her findings. These were published in a respected peer reviewed journal in her field. These are not anecdotal findings as I would be the first in line to complain.

And heavens don't trust what I say, check this out for yourself as that's the goal here.

I will post these docs here shortly when I can convert them from the pdf file format.

In the meantime check the link in the post above from AF pilots that had to resign over this Catch-22 loop of logic. I've posted a very detailed risk management analysis by them written in the DODs own rubic that finds fault with the organizational structure that's permitting this to happen.

The medical review of these projects needs to be removed from the military and put in the hands of civilian medical folks. Those with the medical knowledge are to few and far between and can be influenced either from within or from without the DOD/military.

Link to Report

I for one would not voluntary take this vaccine with what I know now. My sig other, Dr. Wright, spent fours hours on the phone with Dr. Asa going over her research on Sunday. Don't trust my wife either but her opinion is that Dr. Asa is at the top of her field, a meticulous researcher, off the grid with regard to the pharma industry and DOD, and of high medical ethics. Also like my wife a mom that want's to protect her children.

The hard science will speak for itself. As Joe said let's bring it on. Please don't throw eggs at Joe though, he's just the brave sole hosting this debate that the MSM is failing to have.

Ron

Here's a follow-up I just posted over in the discussion at Dean's World:

Dean,

Re: HSPIG Challenge to the Blogosphere

Blessed by for the Internet and the Blogosphere that information and news of the day can flow transpartently through political boundaries and filtering by editorial and corporate boardrooms to the people who are the final arbitrators of the TRUTH.
[...]

The Blogosphere (Blogos) - Envision the birth of a new collective of human consciousness with a self- regulating ability to weed out false information, flawed thought and logic within our normal universe.

A vast neuro net of dendritic synapses forging new connections at an exponential rate with mega power for parallel processing that can be brought online to work a research question.

{...}

That's my plan to engage the "nodes" (Blogs) in the network to start the process. Hence my challenge to you Dean (Node) and your readers to go for it. The "truth is out there." "Trust No One." Think of this as a neighborhood watch with Dean as the team captain. You watch out for your neighbors and they will watch out for you.

My bloodhound nose says there is something worth pursuing here. I could be wrong and I hope I am. Like many other folks who ply the Blogos, I have a real day job I've been playing "hooky" a little too much. Go figure, where best to apply the gumshoe skills of a Lt. Columbo.

[...]

Beaming back to realitity Google works well with key word searches to link what information is available out there. Google alerts work well to add new bits of information as they appear. Also running personal names with "+" commands shows where two people appear together in time.

In law enforcement circles this is called "Link Analysis." Typical for establishing who is talking with whom by phone records, mail, bank accounts,etc. Draw these connections on a white board and the invisible groups becomes visible e.g. street gangs, commerical burglary rings,and organized crime groups, and yes embedded terrorist cells

[...]

Have I gotten you all FIRED UP?

Here's several things to chew on.

Matsumoto's response to factual errors he saw in Cohen's article in Slate:

Link Here

Here's two AF pilots that eventually had to resign over the issue of the anthrax vaccine. Browse their site at:

www.milvacs.org/tiger.cfm

Here's their most recent paper using the DOD's own rubic to show this is now interfering/hindering the military to carry out its mission. Mission is everything in the military. I link to their paper from the discussion at WOC:

Link Here

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Ron

I understand Homeland Security Policy Institute Group is a non profit and is going to start funding some research into this "Vaccine" issue. I suggest we support their efforts and if we know of anyone with adverse reactions or information to contact them, they must have a POC at their website www.hspig.org.
All of us injured and disabled Veterans need to get our act together and get going on this......

I too find this just a bit too typical of junk science. Remember, the folks who published cold fusion (Pons and Fleishman) did so in a peer reviewedd journal, and Fleishman was one of the most respected guys in electrochemistry. Even so, their experiment was so poorly done, and the paper so poorly organized that a layman like myself could tell it was almost certainly crap.

Continuing...

Our country has a history of junk science, and for those following the bucks, look no farther than the trial lawyers, who frequently plant stories in the press (and maybe pay for studies) in order to create an atmosphere where junk science lawsuits may be one. Silicone breast implants is one of the best examples - the claims were not scientifically founded, but lots of bucks flowed.

Agent Orange likewise had a legal/political aspect such that if I develop type II diabetes (common in older Americans, especially overweight ones like myself) the government will pay me money on the erroneous presumption that AO caused it.

Publication in peer reviewed journals is not proof. A hypothesis that requires a big conspiracy is almost certainly wrong. Ignoring scientific studies because of the source of their funding (government or otherwise) is also unscientific.

Read the rebuttal linked by the original article.

And finally, for conspiracy mongers, here's a first person account of vaccine experimentation that happened to me in Navy Boot camp without informed consent.

There was an illness that was endemic in the camp (Great Lakes, early 1967). People were coughing up green phlem and blood in such quantities that there was a snowman covered with it by the galley.

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I caught the disease and eventually was hospitalized with the only treatment being forced liquids, bed rest, and a steam room. It failed to help or reduced my fever of 105 degrees.

After days of this, I was given a single dose of antibiotic which knocked out the fever in 8 hours.

None of this shows in my medical records.

A few weeks later I was ordered to sign a form (probably a consent form) and then given what we were told was an experimental vaccine.

Different companies got this vaccine at different weeks in the training process - some before anybody got sick, for example.

Does anyone know what vaccine was being tested there?

The military is a lot less likely to pull that stuff these days, as the press is much more hostile to it and soldiers far more likely to report it.

So much for you non veterans who need to dismiss anything they can't or don't want to understand as a conspiracy, junk science or what ever.....Yea I do however feel somewhat like the Agent Orange was over played, note I did two tours in Vietnam (never got three purple hearts though)nor did I get any symptoms of Agent Orange, maybe thats why I don't go for it, it doesn't involve me....if squalane is not junk science it has involved both myself and my family so yea maybe I am going for "Junk Science" but it makes sense!!!
JOHN, you were probably were a "Lab" rat and your "green godess" was probably another one of our science projects gone wrong. At least you probably have the understanding of what it feels like.....

Oh Ye of little faith!

Start here:

http://www.delawareonline.com/newsjournal/local/2004/12/28dovershortpilot.html

Note, especially, Gen Roadman's clip where he swears to us there is no squalene in any military shot.

Follow all the stories for the Dover AFB story. There is much more, but you can chew on this first.

Best Shot:

Here is my best shot to convince you the anthrax vaccination program is a military medical experiment.

A standard vaccine experiment is called a dose range study. This is conducted by repeatedly doubling the amount of the tested substance in subsequent vaccine lot numbers to discover potency or toxicity levels. Note, this is only supposed to be done on animals, not humans.

The FDA reported squalene amounts in progressive anthrax vaccine lot numbers. Since formatting is almost impossible in this format, I can't make this visually self-evident, but I'll try.

The three columns are: Lot Number (LN); dose range study progression (DR); and amounts of squalene found by the FDA in ppb (Sq).

LN DR Sq

20 1 11
30 1 10
38 2 27
43 4 40
47 8 83

Assuming these lined up, and assuming a double base at ten, this is incredibly precise as a purposeful dose range study on human beings in the military.

The second clincher is that DoD cannot certify how the squalene got into these lot numbers. If you checked the site I posted above, you'll see that in 1999, the Air Force surgeon general assured us squalene could not be in any military vaccine.

A year later, the FDA announced that, actually, squalene was in five anthrax vaccine lot numbers. DoD then trotted out a string of scientifically bogus explanations for how this happened.

First they said the bactirium left it, except the anthrax baccillus does not contain or produce squalene. Then they said it came from egg residue used in the growth medium, except eggs are used only in viral cultures, not bacterial such as anthrax. Then they said it is a natural background element in any vaccine, except it isn't. So now they have abandon all reason and attributed it to the FDA bungling the test assay with a fingerprint on lab glassware.

The Air Force surgeon general recognized none of these possibilities in 1999 (see clip from above site), and the fingerprint theory is ludicrous.

The person who ran the FDA assay (as interviewed by author Gary Matsumoto) said he used gloves for all procedures, as required, and used water blanks, or vials filled only with water, as a process validation check. Had a fingerprint, or any other contamination, intruded into the FDA test, the water vials would have shown it too, but they did not. They were clean, therefore, no FDA contamination. Therefore, the only way squalene got into these lot numbers is that someone put it there.

There are other factoids. At my base, there were 160 adverse reaction reports agains the anthrax shot in 1999 against zero such reports for every other shot given that year.

Forty percent of the reserve wing pilots left the unit rather than take the shot after they witnessed what happened to the first set of shot takers.

The active duty wing commander called an unprecedented "time out" on the shot because it was wrecking such havoc on the base.

An Air Force major risked a Court Martial rather than take the shot. At the preliminary hearing, the judge told him he could not contest the legality of the order, or the vaccine program, at the trial. The only question allowed would be: did you follow the order to take the shot, or did you not?

There is much more, but I hope this gives you enough insight to investigate.

Thanks for helping some of the unbelievers wake up and chew on some facts not government spin.

Major,

Thanks.

One other point about substances being the same regardless of environment.

Fecal material is fecal material, always. If it is in your bowel, no problem; but if you inject it into your arm, all hell will break loose.

Same with air. Air is always air. In your lungs it works fine, but if you inject it into a vein it will cause a cardiac embolism and kill you.

Squalene is natural to the body at 250 times the level found in the shot. True, but irrelevant. When injected, squalene is perceived as an invader by the immune system that contests it. Some immune systems then attack all bodily oils, mistakenly perceiving them as similar invaders. Thus the wide range of autoimmune disorders in GWS and with the AVIP program.

DoD has tossed a string of baited hooks into the water and some people swallow them all without checking.

The Military Vaccine Action Center (A PAC) ( www.mvacpac.org ) is requesting your assistance on the FDA hearings re Anthrax Vaccine License.

They are a sister organization of the Military Vaccine Education Center ( www.milvacs.org ).

*****

Newsflash

Anthrax Vaccine License opened for 90-day public comment period: We need your help now! Click on http://www.fda.gov/cber/rules/bvactox.pdf

Click here to submit your comments:

http://www.regulations.gov/AGCY_FOODANDDRUGADMINISTRATION.cfm

Comments accepted until March 29, 2005:

SUMMARY: The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is proposing to amend the biologics regulations in response to the report and recommendations of the Panel on Review of Bacterial Vaccines and Toxoids (the Panel). The Panel reviewed the safety, efficacy, and labeling of bacterial vaccines and toxoids with standards of potency, bacterial antitoxins, and immune globulins. On the basis of the Panel’s findings and recommendations, FDA is proposing to classify these products as Category I (safe, effective, and not misbranded), Category II (unsafe, ineffective, or misbranded), or Category IIIB (off the market pending completion of studies permitting a determination of effectiveness). On December 13, 1985, FDA proposed to amend the biologics regulations and proposed to classify the bacterial vaccines and toxoids. After reviewing the Panel’s report and comments on the proposal, FDA published a final rule and final order on January 5, 2004. FDA is issuing this proposed rule and proposed order again to provide notice and to give interested persons an opportunity to comment.

Instructions: All submissions received must include the agency name and Docket No. for this proposal. All comments received will be posted without change to http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/default.htm, including any personal information provided.

[...]

For more see their site at:

http://www.mvacpac.org/mambo/index.php

or our site at:

http://www.hspig.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2022

Ron Wright, Moderator
HSPIG Forums Site
www.hspig.org

American Gulf War Veterans Association (www.gulfwarvets.com)

http://www.gulfwarvets.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/000096.html

Just ran across this posting in the Gulf War Vets Assn bulletin board. This posts has an extensive listing of online resources.

Sorry didn't have time to hot link the sites listed. Either go to the link above, or the HSPIG link below for the complete list which is hot linked.

*****

Tom Trefts
( a.k.a. RAINBOW RISING )
313 Hyde Ave
Niles, Ohio

November 27, 2004

To whom it may concern,

Upon further research, I have learned that not only were soldiers of my era exposed to tainted vaccines, but that the problem still exists and in extreme cases has been know to directly cause the deaths of certain individuals.

The company that makes the vaccines is called Bioport out of Lansing Michigan. Except for a name change, this now private firm was a former government facility.

I will enclose some interesting articles for you and your fellow professionals to hopefully become aware of. This is a very large problem that has finally come to light due not only to the large numbers of veterans affected, but also because of some very smart people using the Freedom of Information Act.

You are in a unique position to observe persons with multiple disabling symptoms.
You are also in a position to possibly warn other veterans to check with their local VA to find out if they have the Squaline Antibody or not. So far, it looks like a definitive marker for Gulf War Illness.

ONE SOURCE OF CONTACT IS AT WALTER REED HOSPITAL IN WASHINGTON D.C.

Walter Reed Vaccine Healthcare Center
( 202 ) 782-0411 ( 8:00 -4:00) e-mail askvhccamedd.army.mil

Now, 12 years after the war, Haley's findings are turning the stress theory upside down.
Conventional MRI scans showed nothing unusual, but through a technique known as magnetic resonance spectroscopy, he found damage deep in the brains of the sick veterans.
"The symptoms that we see are characteristic of well known diseases of the brain, for example in the basal ganglia, Huntington's disease and Parkinson's disease," Haley says.

The following is a list of web links to various sites. http://www.law.com/jsp/statearchive.jsp?type=Article&oldid=ZZZKXGBO0TC
http://www.sskrplaw.com/vaccine/anthrax.html
http://www.sskrplaw.com/vaccine/anthraxcomplaint.pdf
http://www.ngwrc.org/
http://www.ngwrc.org/NewsArticle.cfm?ID=1879
http://www.ngwrc.org/NewsArticle.cfm?ID=1907
http://www.ngwrc.org/NewsArticle.cfm?ID=1891
http://www.mvacpac.org/
http://www.delawareonline.com/newsjournal/local/2004/10/31dellegislatorsb.html
http://www.chestjournal.org/cgi/content/abstract/122/2/741
http://www.milvacs.org/Experiments/HumanExper.html
http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,56099,00.html

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Ron Wright, Moderator
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CHALLENGE TO THE MSM TO REPORT "VACCINE-A" STORY

Date: Mon Jan 03, 2005 08:16:51 PM PST
Subject: RE UR STORY ON TCAS AND LT. COL LACKLEN

Re Lt. Col. Lacklen and previous story on TCAS

ANTHRAX VACCINE CAUSAL LINK FOR GULF WAR SYNDROME?

Dear Mr. Hartman, CBS 60 Minutes:

There is a major story now emerging in the Blogosphere (Blogos) that will dwarf Rathergate. Run Google search with the keywords "Lacklen +anthrax." Col. Lacklen in your previous story segment may be a victim of the military's covert experimental anthrax vaccine program.

This story has been percolating along on many fronts for several years. It is now about to reach critical mass. The MSM is sitting on the sidelines for fear of another Rathergate. Unfortunately the MSM and Rather don't understand the Blogos well. This is not about partisan politics but a newly emerging medium to convey info and the news of the day. Imagine a vast neuro net of dendritic/synapses forging connections at an exponential rate with massive parallel processing power to bring to bare on research questions.

HSPIG has no hidden agenda other than protecting the interests of our men and women in uniform either now or in the past. As Bill O'Reilly says, "Who's looking out for you?" Our svs personnel have enough to do fighting this war without having to worry about, "covering their backs." Senior military commanders may have been mislead as to the actual level of risk. A serious complication rate of 25 to 30% exists. These reactions occur at the molecular level. Further there may be a genetic predisposition.

The nexus-unifying link is Gary Matsumoto's new book "Vaccine A." If true and we believe the science is sound, demonstrates a casual link between the DOD's anthrax vaccine program and Gulf War Syndrome. The story gets bigger because the DOD's "Lil Shoppe of Horror's" should be fully aware of this now, but insists on continuing with this program. The DOD may have conducted experimental clinical trials using this vaccine on svs personnel without their informed consent and or knowledge. The military can do this and svs personnel have no recourse per Feres Doctrine. This faulty research may now expand into civilian vaccines that are critical to our survival. The people involved are literally playing with fire they don't understand. There is an abundance of independent research available to show that the DOD's research is flawed.

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My husband just returned from Iraq July3, 2004
early for surgery,4 in 6 weeks might I add.
after his 2 anthrax shots from the BAD BATCH in 2003 his health has done nothing but get worse.
He had Anthrax shots from Lots # 073 on
04-01-2003 & 074 on 04- 15-2003 there were 2 other shots he recieved dec 10-2003 and 04-29-2003 where it should have listed the lot # it has
(UNK) HOW CONVIENIENT!

OUR STORY
My husband active duty army at ft.hood ,tx
has received 4 anthrax shots that I hold record of probably more,
but 2 of those lot#s have been proven to be {{tainted with squalene}}
Associated with Autoimmune-Related Symptoms or Fully Diagnosed
Autoimmune Diseases in Troops [per Tulane]: FAV 017, FAV 048b, FAV 066, FAV 068, FAV 069, FAV 073, FAV 074, FAV 075, FAV 078 ;
I feel my husband has fallen victim to The U.S. Army Vaccine “ANTRAX as well .He has Gulf war syndrome symptoms and He has had chest pain, shortness of breath, or other symptoms of cardiac disease within two weeks after vaccination, and was sent to
Iraq with his unit treated for acid reflux. He had weird skin rashes, hives still gets them, He has every single GULF WAR SYNDROME SYMPTOM. He is being medical boarded and it is being put on hold until they can figure out what is going on with his health.His lungs can not circulate air quarter way down anymore and he does not smoke! and have changes that match COPD. he just had an x ray of his lungs 7 months ago before his last set of anthrax shots!!the x rays were fine! normal!! and I have no idea who to turn to for help.It all started in 2000. After his first set of shots he developed a lump in his left testicle whiledeployed to Montana. It hurt and burned like fire when he walked. When he returned he went into sick call and had his PA check everything out and they sent him straight to urology. This mass had actually grown inside it, so urology ordered an ultrasound and it showed a solid mass. The ordering urologist said it looked like 98.9 % cancerous mass. We could wait for him to send tests effect but he was that certain it was and we would be putting of the inevitable. He recommended total removal (orchiechtomy) of that side. We were so scared and didn’t want it to spread if this was the case we wanted to know how soon it could be done. Now bear in mind we came here in may of 2000. This is only AUG 2000.So this whatever cyst type thing had to have grown??It was not there before! We have been together since 1993!At first I felt I was building a conspiracy theory to have a reason behind his sickness.“ALL OF THEM”. Come on I would tell my self he is only thirty years old just five years ago he was perfectly healthy. He does not smoke! We do not go out partying on the weekend we stay at home and hang out with our kids. We used to take them out to fly their kites after dinner or ride their bikes or even just go for an afternoon walk in the neiborhood.

Now my husband can’t do any of those things anymore as he has:chest pains on exertion and Was taken to our E.R on May 02 2004 for what we thought was a heart attack, given nitro pills, and nitro gel,IVS started monitored And X-rays taken of his chest with a portable x-ray and then and only then did his unit I think finally realize ”HEY THIS GUY IS SICK!” His 1st sgt came in to the E.R and was asking the E.R dr assistant/nurse was he really having heart trouble? The guy told him “In my opinion, if his wife had not brought him in when she did he would have had a heart attack.” He has responded to the nitro gel and nitro pills I gave him and now all he has is some tenderness.” “So in my opinion yes, but I am no heart doctor” You should have seen the look on his 1st sgt’s face. It was as if my husband had been lying to them about being in pain or something. They did transfer him to another local hospital where they have a cardiologist on staff. There they did a catheter and found no blockage but did find a myocardial bridge. This heart doctor said, no problems the other hospital said your heart was slightly enlarged but people who exercise a lot theirs is so no big deal, well my husband was medvac back from Iraq for surgeries in Late June/July3, 2004 to be exact and he hasn’t been able to do PT since so any kind of an enlarged heart is not good to us. After his surgeries in july-sept-2004 all urology based.
His BP started being very high 180 +/97 and now his chol is 248 his bad chol is 200 he is 5'11'' weighs 185 eats fairly healthy food.Doesn’t sit around eating unhealthy foods.Currently on BP meds and chol meds now and beta blocker meds as well.As we thought he was having a heart attack in May and rushed him in to ER.He was started on the steroid shots for hormone replacement therapy a few months prior to April 2004 and 300 mg every 2 weeks. He had started getting tenderness in the left side of his chest it never went away. Only got worse. Then his arm started to hurt with this then his back. I knew then these were classic heart attack symptoms. But the army has him so brain washed to not whine about little things he refused to go into the doc. It took him getting so dizzy with both arms going numb one day and he said it felt as though someone grabbed his heart and clutched it. A heaviness had been staying all across his chest sometime and never leaving /hurting all the time before this day.
2 weeks prior to this day he failed a treadmill stress test.The tech annotated typical for isocheima.
In ER he was given nitro pills that stopped all the pain little by little. until it was only a tiny bit tender.

His x ray showed a slightly enlarged heart (they acted like (NO BIG DEAL)because after he was full of meds and another was taken it was normal!
His ECG revealed more than once
SINUS BRADYCARDIA 42 beat per min/
Then 54 beat per min the other
They transferred him to another hospital and did the
CATH test:
That showed No blockage
Other findings were as follows: that has me concerned
CORONARY ARTERIOGRAMS:
Left anterior descending coronary artery:
The left anterior descending coronary artery showed no stenosis.
There was a large diagonal Artery, which was at least the same size if not larger than the LAD. Also the distal LAD had a myocardial bridge.Other than that all else showed to be normal
his labs on more than one occasion showed his AST,ALT to be high and total protein as well and I am not sure if that has and bearing on heart trouble or only liver function. But it seems here at Fort hood because he is a soldier they rush them in and out so quickly alot is missed. And that is sad and is why they had 23-year-old men having heart attacks in their morning exercise. His chest cramped the day while he did his dye treadmill test and passed the stress test. the ekg did not pick up anything abnormal at all! Yet His chest hurts him. And his arms are both cold off and on all the time!!If he works more than 30 mins he is lightheaded with severe chest pains. He wakes up occasionally with one eye completely bloodshot like all the blood vessels in it burst during the night. I am afraid the army is going to miss it all together Or maybe they already know and are covering it up quite well! My husband went to pick his record of his chest x-rays up from BOTH hospitals and the Army hospital doesn’t say his heart was enlarged on May 02,2004 at all. The hospital

He was transferred to cardiologist report does however note his heart being slightly enlarged. So how can they explain that? The cardiologist that wrote the report showing his heart slightly enlarged heart told us that off of the ARMY HOSPITALS X-RAY! But said however when used his own x-ray his showed a normal sized heart. So I really am confused. I do not know what is going on all I know is My husband cannot be imagining that he cannot work when he used to be a metal-Body Worker/Welder, and could work 70 + hour weeks no problem. You needed a job done he was your man, and his unit knew it too. And now cannot cut our grass and weed eat it with out having heart attack symptoms. He cannot even play one game of light basketball with our 14-year-old son with out having extreme chest pains. We have four sons and a daughter and he feels like he cannot participate in anything they like to do anymore these Vaccines have cheated our future. We cannot go to the beaches it is too hot by the time we get walked out to where we want to be and get set up we have maybe THIRTY MINUTES and we have to leave. All his medications won’t allow him to be in direct sunlight and what will, his body won’t. The children all want answers, as do we. This is very unfair. And he was not this sick until this years anthrax shots as with the rest of these people here: 1.Army medic Michael Berger Read his story here
http://www.vva.org/TheVeteran/2005_01/feature_berger.htm 2. Rachel Lacy
Read her story
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/19/health/main584491.shtml
3. Deerheart Cornitcher -an American Indian nurse
received the smallpox vaccine at Peninsula Regional
Medical Center in Salisbury, Maryland. That evening
she felt nauseated and attributed it to a minor
vaccine reaction or, possibly, a mild case of food
poisoning. Five days later she was dead of a heart
attack.

Cornitcher was among seven health professionals
vaccinated as part of a civilian readiness program,
all of whom developed post-vaccine problems. Another
vaccine recipient suffered a heart attack but
survived, two developed inflammation of the lining
around the heart, and two developed angina, the type
of chest pain associated with heart disease.

My husband has lost:
Both testicles
has to be on hormone replacement therapy for the rest
of his life.
Now is on anti depressants for severe depression.
has sleep apnea
he never had before..
skin rashes/hives
eye twitches/sore muscles
been told he has ischiemia
failed a treadmill stress test
has elevated pressure on the right side of his heart chamber
and they can’t figure out why.
does not have pulmonary embulism according to the army
cardiologist.
no ASD(hole in the heart did bubble echo/ regular echo
dye treadmill stress test
(which they say he passed
after being on beta blockers for 1 month or more..
he has ekgs that say he has SINUS BRADYCARDIA
and they just keep telling us his heart is FINE!
and His myocardial bridge is not causing these heart
attack symtoms
he has every time he trys to do any type of work past
20 minutes.
Now his thyroid is 4 x larger on the right side than
the left.
he told his endo doctor of his unltra sound results
and he felt blown OFF!

and his weight is fluctuating 15-20 lbs every 2 weeks
Yet He was told to come back in 2 MONTHS!
that it was a normal ultrasound!!!
he has clasic symptoms of GRAVES DISEASE}
or mastis gravis an auto immune disorder]
and unless they stop his lung isse because it has
started at the top and not at the bottom or middle lobe
Sections he will not be a candidate for operations.
Look up
Bilateral air trapping in the lungs
I can send you his lung scan results.
my husband is just 30 years old
and usually 185 lbs 5'11'' VERY HEALTHY guy!
NORMALLY.......Until these shots started an now his health is
deteriating quickly.

**About myocardial bridging:
Angina, myocardial ischemia, myocardial infarction,
left ventricular dysfunction, myocardial stunning, ,
as well as exercise-induced ventricular tachycardia
and sudden cardiac death are accused sequelae of myocardial bridging.
However, considering the prevalence of myocardial bridging, these
complications are rare. Patients may present with atypical or
angina-like chest pain with no consistent association between symptom severity and the length or depth of the tunneled segment or the degree of systolic compression.sometimes these do not even show up on ECG s..
but the pain is very Real....

I don’t want to wait until it is too late to Stop the vaccine program
from hurting other soldiers just like my husband. And I want to have it
Documented in his records That This is Because of the vaccines

How is it fair civilians are being compensated over 200,000 for there
Total disability and my husband will not get any? per the FERES law? He puts his life on the line for his country for their freedom and glady I'll add he wanted to make this his career and go to warrant officer school and now cannot he is getting out on a medical board is at the mercy of whatever % they feel he is due! Where is the justice in this? I sold my hair salon for him to join the Army that was open from 1991-1999 and now he cannot work at all. We have nothing. Thanks for any help or advice you can offer us.
Tami

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