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May 5, 2005

More on al-Libbi

by Dan Darling at May 5, 2005 6:12 AM

I really need to find time to do a primer on this guy, but finals are going to be interfering with that for the immediate future. In the meantime, let me just make a couple of important clarifications to yesterday's quickie briefing based on what I gathered mostly from talking to people yesterday as well as watching media coverage on the US cable networks:

  • His skin disorder may be leucoderma (vitiligo), not psoriasis as I had previously stated below. I have no idea what the difference is between the two conditions, though a doctor (or Catfish N' Cod blog) could probably tell you.
  • A member of his IMU (Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, though I believe they changed their name a little while ago) bodyguard detail may have betrayed him, leading to his capture. There are a variety of reasons why this might be the case such as money or simple resentment, as Arab al-Qaeda members tend to look down on the South and Central Asian members of the organization. That's usually a Saudi/Gulf Arab trait, though, whereas al-Libbi is a North African who are normally above such things. Another account says that the "Pakistan's most wanted" program paid off and one of the Mardan locals tipped the right people off that there were foreign terrorists in the area of Shandan, both of which are Peshawar. Yet another account claims that he was betrayed as a result of his satellite phone.

It is entirely possible to reconcile all three accounts into a coherent narrative.

  • In my primer yesterday, I deliberately refrained from calling him the #3 guy in al-Qaeda. The reason for this is because (and this is hardly just me talking here) the current #3 is Saif al-Adel, who is currently based out of eastern Iran and has been since late 2001 or early 2002. Al-Libbi, like his colleague Hamza al-Masri (the "Egyptian" I referenced yesteday) were both aides to Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and extremely dangerous men in the al-Qaeda hierarchy who have been linked to terrorist plots in Pakistan (including the near-assassination of General Musharraf and the Karachi Corps Commander), the UK, and the United States. I don't want to downplay their importance, but I also don't want to overplay it. What I was told was that al-Libbi was a "Zarqawi-level figure as far as the Pakistani jihadis are concerned" and you can read into that what you will.
  • He is not Anas al-Libbi, who is a member of the al-Qaeda ruling council and a prominent leader with the Libyan Fighting Islamic Group. He has variously been reported as being captured at a number of points in 2002, though I've never seen that confirmed anywhere. As to the idea that al-Libbi not being on the list of FBI's most wanted terrorists means anything, that's patently absurd. In order to get on the most wanted list you have to be indicted, which a number of prominent al-Qaeda leaders have not.
  • He was born in Libya in 1965 under the first name Ibrahim and was also known within al-Qaeda as "Dr. Tawfiq." He fought in the Afghan jihad and became of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's deputies working under Abdul Rasul Sayyaf as well as bin Laden. He lived in Pakistan from 1989 to 1991, then moved to Sudan with bin Laden and helped to manage his companies there. He knows Pakistan pretty well, has good contacts in all the major jihadi organizations (preferring to rely on the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi over the Lashkar-e-Taiba due to the fact that he considers the latter compromised due its continued ties to the Pakistani state) and has shifted his base of operations back and forth between Karachi, Lahore, Quetta, and Peshawar from 2002-2005. That he was captured so close to Peshawar would seem to confirm my earlier speculation that al-Qaeda leaders like to base themselves in major Pakistani cities.

Anyways, hope this information proves useful. If verification is needed for any of this, drop a comment and I'll try to source what I can.

UPDATE: Chrenkoff has a before and after photo of al-Libi that's worth your time - plus an amusing gallery of fellow "before and after" shots.

See also: Al-Libbi: Still not #3, but no mistaken identity.


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Comments
#1 from Bill Roggio at 4:36 pm on May 05, 2005

Hi Dan,

AFP claims to have seen the CIA's classified list, and al-Libbi is listed as #3. Any indication if he and al-Adel were splitting duty? That would be my guess based ont he confusion. Either way, he is definitely a big fish. At the least al Qaeda's commader in Pakistan, where a big chunk of the organization resides, has lots of information on the network.

#2 from Dan Darling at 5:12 pm on May 05, 2005

I don't know, Bill. This may have to do with the fact that there are now 2 military committees, one in Pakistan, another in eastern Iran. All I can say is that I'm far from alone in saying that he ain't the #3 guy.

#3 from Keith, Indianapolis at 6:38 pm on May 05, 2005

When I saw the guys photo, I had thought he had black eyes. My wife had similar blood drainage under her eyes when she hit her head several years back.

But the photos aren't that good, so I don't know what it could be. I was thinking maybe a flash-bang going off near his face could have done something like this.

Either way, BIG SCORE, and shows the value of our partnership with Pakistan.

#4 from Joe Katzman at 7:36 pm on May 05, 2005

Keith,

More precisely, it shows why we need to continue tolerating Pakistan and treating it as a nominal ally, while making rumbling noises that give them continued incentive to cooperate from legitimate fear of what the USA might to do in terms of siding with India. Oh, and keeping updated contingency plans in place for use should the jihadis take over Pakistan - which is not beyond the realm of possibility.

See Patrick Belton's magisterial article set on Pakistan for a deeper understanding of what's going on there.

I'd say "partnership" goes too far.

#5 from Bill Roggio at 8:54 pm on May 05, 2005

Dan,

No disagreements here, obviously there are differing views on his position. I suspect KSM's portfolio was split between him and al-Adel, and its causing this confusion about who is who. Either way, he is a significant catch.

Joe, Dealing with Pakistan requires constant vigilence, and I am in complete agreement.

#6 from Bill Roggio at 8:56 pm on May 05, 2005

I think I just repeated myself...repeated myself...

#7 from Tina at 1:50 am on May 06, 2005

A basic question, that may have been addressed elsewhere: AQ is a fanatic Wahabbi/Sunni group, which regards Shia Islam as heretical and treat them like s*** in any country they run. Presumably there's no love lost on the Shia side either.

Why would their "...current #3... Saif al-Adel, [be] currently based out of eastern Iran"? Is this a case of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend?" Is Iran milking AQ for $$ to build reactors? Is the Tehran regime not in 100% control of certain areas of the country? Have we done so much damage to AQ and the Sunni countries that harbor them that Iran actually looks like their best place to hunker down (let it be, Lord)?

#8 from Dan Darling at 4:23 am on May 06, 2005

Saif al-Adel has been based in eastern Iran since August 2002 at the very latest, so this is not a new development. Like other al-Qaeda leaders in the country, he is under the protection of Brigadier General Qassem Suleimani and the Qods Force unit of the IRGC.

#9 from John at 4:33 am on May 15, 2005

You might want to check out this article it looks like Pakistan is playing a game on us

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