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May 8, 2005Al-Libbi: Still not #3, but no mistaken identityby Dan Darling at May 8, 2005 10:55 PM
Since the capture of Abu Faraj al-Libbi [May 4: Al Libbi's Capture | May 5: More on al-Libbi], there has been some commentary as to his exact status within al-Qaeda, with some European officials feeling the need to claim that the US confused Abu Faraj al-Libbi with Anas al-Liby, who is a member of the al-Qaeda ruling council. No offense, but it's pretty insulting for these anonymous European officials to assert that our guys can't tell the difference between two high-ranking al-Qaeda operatives, do they think that all those Libyan terrorists look alike to the CIA? Abu Faraj has either psoriasis or leucoderma, while Anas suffers from neither. Moreover, we have Anas's fingerprints from his UK flat when it was raided and unless he has undergone reconstructive surgery he still has that comic book villain-esque scar on the left side of his face. Anas, I believe, is also somewhat shorter than Abu Faraj. I highlight all of these differences between the two men to try and illustrate just how patently absurd it is that the US would have mistaken the two men. There is also the small point that even if we had, it still wouldn't have led to mischaracterizations of al-Libbi as the al-Qaeda third-in-command, since Anas al-Liby, while an important member of the group's ruling council, is not himself that high up in the pecking order. Interestingly, I also did some checking and it seems that Anas al-Liby was not captured in Sudan back in 2002 as previously reported. He may, however, have been part of the Libyan Fighting Islamic Group (LFIG) contingent who were expelled from Iran in March 2004. Noman Benotman (bin Othman), a former member of the LFIG ruling council, described the expulsion in an interview with the Jamestown Foundation's Mahan Abedin:
While Mr. Benotman refrains from noting that the IRGC was preparing to have the LFIG mount a terrorist campaign against Qadaffi until the mullahs got caught, Anas al-Liby may have been among those expelled and as a result may now be in Pakistan, so it makes at least some sense for the Europeans to think that he would be captured there. I would also note that my point as far as Saif al-Adel being the real al-Qaeda #3 seems to be catching on:
"If he really had moved into [Mohammed's] position, I think they would have been more public about him, including [offering U.S.] rewards," Katzman said. "There hasn't been a big capture in a while, so maybe they're emphasizing his importance more than they would have otherwise." Katzman and other U.S. counter-terrorism authorities said another longtime Bin Laden associate, Saif Adel, for years had been considered Al Qaeda's No. 3 operative. But Adel, an Egyptian, is believed to be hiding in Iran and may not be currently involved in Al Qaeda's operations, Katzman said. As Newsweek noted last summer:
I would also note that the BBC and MSNBC agree with me as to al-Adel's status, with MSNBC describing him as:
I don't want to demean the importance capturing al-Libbi, however, as the following has been gained as a result:
I'd consider those two to be unqualified good results, regardless of al-Libbi's exact status in al-Qaeda. This was one of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's deputies who has been linked to terrorist attacks in both the United Kingdom as well as to a potential attack during the US presidential election or the inauguration. Taking him out of circulation is a victory for the war on terrorism, period. Tracked: May 8, 2005 11:16 PM
Spring Cleaning in Pakistan from The Fourth Rail
Excerpt: We are continuing to see the benefits from the arrest of Abu Farraj al-Libbi, al Qaeda's commander of operations. Austin Bay states his capture has created a "cascading effect" - a landslide of information created by exploiting the intelligence obtaine...
Tracked: May 8, 2005 11:36 PM
Whoops, maybe -- Top Al-Quaeda guy isn't, or is he from light seeking light
Excerpt: As I understand it, the identification of the guy came from the Pakistanis. The ID was broadcast quickly, probably because it was leaked from Pakistan. We've seen this before -- the Pakistanis release information of captures immediately, contrary to ...
Tracked: May 9, 2005 1:44 AM
Was al-Libbi Al Qaeda's Number Three? from Outside The Beltway
Excerpt: There is serious doubt as to whether Abu Faraj al-Libbi, captured last week by the Pakistanis to great fanfare, was indeed al Qaeda's number three man.
Captured Al-Qaeda kingpin is case of "mistaken identity" (Times of London)
THE capture of a...
Tracked: May 9, 2005 7:33 PM
Captured Al-Qaeda kingpin a case of mistaken identity? from protein wisdom
Excerpt: From the Sunday Times Online (UK):The capture of a supposed Al-Qaeda kingpin by Pakistani agents last week was hailed by President George W Bush as “a critical victory in the war on terror”. According to European intelligence experts...
Tracked: May 10, 2005 3:06 PM
No al Libi from The Acorn
Excerpt: The implications of al-Qaeda's links with the ISI
Pakistani intelligence officials captured and delivered Abu Faraj al-Libbi, a Libyan terrorist, to the American authorities last week.
But doubts have been cast on how important a personality Abu...
Tracked: May 19, 2005 9:29 AM
Predator Kills Important al-Qaeda Leader in Pakistan from Defense Industry Daily
Excerpt: Allah wantsa word with you... The death of al-Qaeda leader Haitham al-Yemeni was not the result of a car bomb, as originally reported, but the result of a strike from an MQ-1 Predator UAV. The strike capped over a week...
Comments
Thanks, Dan. I knew you'd have some good words on the subject.
#2 from Raymond at 12:38 am on May 09, 2005
Every time we get one of these guys, the left shows disapointment, throws a fit, or calls him a freedom fighter, or steps forward in offer to join his legal defense team. Political suicide, as they teach America and the world what side of good and evil they are on, morality evaluation 101. Do they think the planet is so far blinded by evil that it cant see what virdict, what judgment, it demands ? Im not ready to think Americans are so blind and souless or knumb, and i guess we will find out about socialist europe. Im not all that unhappy to see the left doing everything it can to brand itself as those with hearts of black with the morality of Stalins thugs. What I find so amazing, is that the left is THAT obtuse to how they are depicting themselves. Are they that far gone ? Thats what happens when you march with moonbats in Che T shirts, their blood stained brain-f**kage rubs off on their fellow travelers, ideas become poisoned with theirs, dragging all with them into the smoking pit. Welp, X one more bad guy, and for every Hi Profile face we nab, we are killing 100s of their lower level cadre. Just as good as seeing the left discredit themselves, both the left and the islamic fantics must be defeated to win this war.
#3 from praktike at 2:41 am on May 09, 2005
Raymond, get a grip. Dan, good post. Did you also see this? Also, on Meet the Press this morning, Gary Schroen called al-Libbi the #3. So there must be a genuine dispute about his standing within counterterrorism circles. Schroen doesn't have any motivation to puff up the Bush administration.
#4 from Mark Buehner at 2:47 am on May 09, 2005
On the other hand nobody ever went broke betting on the incompetance of the CIA. Praktike: Larry Johnson sez there are two HVT lists with different rankings, so maybe that explains the difference. All I know is that everyone I've talked to says that Saif al-Adel is #3. That doesn't mean al-Libbi is chopped liver, by any means, as I hopefully was able to articulate above. If I had to guess, I'd say that if there was any motivation to puff up al-Libbi's status that it would be from the Pakistani angle, as they do love to boast what a Valuable Ally™ they are. Mark Buehner: Maybe and I'm far from a CIA enthusiast, but if the operations guys can't tell the difference between al-Liby and al-Libbi they need to be shown the door pronto. As I said, I doubt this is the case.
#6 from Raymond at 7:04 am on May 09, 2005
Prak On what ? Just what, in particular. To me, this had the familiar faint stench of those who chafe at good news. where every good thing, every acheavment, is seen as bad for them. So the venom flows. even during the vote they tried to downplay and dismiss, they carped about how the solders family placed by the iraq woman was some kind of staged event. And people notice these things, do they not ? Just what do you contest ? The people if Iraq qill certainly remember those who have fallen, those fighting and the innocent targets of evil. and they, like me, like 100s of millions everywhere, will remember the left. Its a stain thats gonna last.
#7 from Paul Brinkley at 4:37 pm on May 09, 2005
Mark Buehner (#4): That's because most of the time when the CIA wins, it can't tell you about it.
#8 from David Guardiola Jr at 5:01 pm on Nov 28, 2007
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#9 from David Guardiola Jr at 5:05 pm on Nov 28, 2007
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