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Hatewatch Briefing 08/26/05

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Welcome! This briefing will be looking hard at the dark places the mainstream media sometimes seem determined to look away from, to better understand our declared enemies on their own terms and without illusions. Our goal is to bring you some of the top jihadi rants, idiotarian seething, and old-school Jew-hatred from around the world, leaving you more informed, more aware, and pretty disgusted every month. This Winds of Change.NET HateWatch briefing is brought to you by zorkmidden of Discarded Lies. Past briefings and posts on related topics can be found here.

This is my last Hatewatch briefing for Winds of Change.NET. Omri Ceren will bring you the next briefing, and thanks for being a wonderful audience.

HIGHLIGHTED TOPICS

  • Religious Hate: Catholic Church a target for jihadis; Israel and the Presbyterian Church; Saudi furor over paper cups; Christian Dalits delayed once again in getting full legal rights; Muslim Council of Britain attacks BBC for "pro-Israeli bias"
  • Idiotarian Seethings: Palestinians: Israel poisoned Gaza land; CAIR and Neturei Karta; Pat Robertson doesn't like Hugo Chavez very much; Jews and the Seattle Monorail; A Galloway moment; More root causes of terrorism
  • Race and Culture: Stormfront's growing popularity; Racism in Mexico; Auschwitz spoof outrage; Racially-motivated crimes againt British Muslims; BNP campaigns to halt building of mosque; Racism in Finland; Negative stereotypes of Jews in Russia; Anti-semitism in the Ukraine
  • A Hopeful Note: Muslim world offers quiet hope; Anti-terrorism cartoons in the Arabic press; Australian Muslim community moves against extremism

Religious Hate:

  • A long history of antipathy towards Israel and Zionism among the leadership of the Presbyterian Church USA and the influence of a "radicalized” Palestinian Christian population are among the reasons for the Church's move to consider divestment from Israel.
  • India's Supreme court has again postponed a discussion on whether to extend full civil rights to Christian Dalits.
    “More than 18 million dalit Christians in India have been taken by surprise by the delay in considering their demand for full legal rights which are given to their brethren of Hindu, Sikh and Buddhist religions,” said a press release issued by Christian groups supporting the case. The court fixed the next court hearing for 18 October, after the Attorney-General gave assurance that a commission would be set up to study the matter.

Idiotarian Seethings:

  • Representatives of the Popular Committee for Defending Palestinian Lands accused Israel of burying "toxic materials" in barrels after the dismantling of the Gaza settlements, in order to make the land unusable for Palestinians. Palestinians: Israel poisoned Gaza land
  • U.S. Muslim leader embraces Orthodox rabbi whose group opposes Israel: Ghazi Khankan, past CAIR director, found a friend in Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss, representative of Neturei Karta International. Mr Weis has met with Hamas and Hezbollah officials in the past and he has stated that he prays everyday "for the speedy dismantlement of this rule of the state of Israel so that it should be transformed into the rule of the Palestinian people, so Jews can live together with Arabs, Muslims in harmony." Just like they do in Saudi Arabia and Egypt and Iraq, you know.
  • Pat Robertson apologised for calling for the assassination of Hugo Chavez after denying that he called for the assassination of Hugo Chavez.
    "I didn't say 'assassination.' I said our special forces should 'take him out,'" Robertson said on his show. " 'Take him out' could be a number of things including kidnapping."
    Perhaps Mr Robertson should kidnap Chavez and knock some religion into him, it wouldn't hurt.
  • Seattle Monorail Board member Cindi Laws is running for re-election and is worried about her opponent:
    Laws was asked about her opponent and said she "was worried because she perceived that Jews have contributed a lot of money to the anti-monorail campaigns in the past, that Beth Goldberg is Jewish, and that will make it easy for (Goldberg) to potentially raise a lot of money because of those connections."
    Ms Laws clarified further that her greatest fear was that downtown developers, whom she characterized as mostly Jewish, would join forces with anti-monorail groups to oppose her candidacy. So there you have it: Jews are going to bring down the Seattle Monorail candidate. The next Jewish focus will be on the candidates for the Board of the Chattanooga Flower Society and Jewish world domination will be almost complete.
  • Respect MP George Galloway praised Iraqi insurgents and said that Jerusalem and Baghdad are being raped by "foreigners" while the Arab world is silent and even "collaborating with the rape of these two beautiful Arab daughters."

Race and Culture:

  • There's been a 600% increase in racially-motivated crimes against British Muslims since the July 7 attacks in London.
  • The British National Party has started a campaign to stop the building of a mosque in Stoke-on-Trent. Leaflets were distributed, claim the mosque will be an "eyesore, with prayers heard throughout the city via loudspeakers."
  • Racism in Finland
    In 2003, the police recorded 522 racist crimes in Finland, most of which took place in the south of the country, where the bulk of the immigrant population live. The most common racist crime was assault. The victims, typically black or Arab men and Somalis, were most commonly 15 to 44 years old, while the perpetrators were between the ages of 15 and 24.
  • And in the Ukraine, Jewish officials want legal crackdown on anti-Semitism.
    Ukrainian nationalists recently asked President Viktor Yuschenko to open criminal proceedings against “Judeo-Nazis” in Ukraine, singling out Chabad rabbis and the main work of Chabad literature, the Tanya.
    ...
    In a separate appeal, one of many that appeared in the media during the last few weeks, Ukrainians were urged not to buy food products that carry kosher certification. “Every conscientious Ukrainian should once and for all give up using all foodstuffs containing kosher symbols,” read the appeal, published in a Kiev newspaper.

A Hopeful Note:

  • Palestinian suicide bombers are seen as martyrs in the Arab world, fighting for a just cause, just like the 9/11 attacks were seen by many as a reaction to "America's hegemony" over the world and a response to the "U.S.'s pro-Israel foreign policy." However, when terrorism strikes home, the reactions change: Anti-terrorism cartoons in the Arabic press
  • Australian Muslim community moves against extremism. Representatives from Australia's Islamic community met with John Howard to discuss measures against terrorism.
    Ahead of Tuesday's meeting Australia's Muslim Youth Forum, which represent young Muslims, issued what it calls a "modernising Muslims six points plan".

    The plan focuses mainly on the training and accreditation of imams preaching in Australian mosques. It specifies accreditation procedures for would-be imams, including that they display a certain fluency in English and a basic knowledge of Australian society.

    Pointing to the existence of a joint programme between Griffith University and the Islamic Research Center in Brisbane, the young Muslims asked the government to finance a national Islamic institute where home-grown imams, as opposed to foreign preachers, would be trained to fit in a modern and multicultural Australia.

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A long history of antipathy towards Israel and Zionism among the leadership of the Presbyterian Church USA . . .

. . . according to the senior religious adviser of the AJC, not exactly an impartial source . . .

. . . and the influence of a "radicalized” Palestinian Christian population . . .

according to the interfaith directory of the Anti-Defamation League, another partisan source . . .

. . . are among the reasons for the Church's move to consider divestment from Israel . . .

according to a spurious report on WoC's so called "Hatewatch". In fact (as those who follow the link will discover), the Presbyterians have decided to divest, not from Israel, but from companies that profit from the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, and crimes and abuses incident thereto (see the PCUSA Guidelines for details). Evidently these are good people, doing the right thing; may their actions be praised, and emulated.

Robert McDougall is in good company. I give you the related example of Guardian columnist Richard Ingrams:

"I have developed a habit when confronted by letters to the editor in support of the Israeli government to look at the signature to see if the writer has a Jewish name. If so, I tend not to read it."

The thought that Mebers of a Jewish lobby group (witch the ADL most certainly is - its focus is not Israel) might have, you know, had the motivation to follow these events closely and come to some conclusions never seems to enter Mr. McDougall's mind.

"Yeah, we get these alleged lynching reports all the time down in Mississippi. But y'know, they're all from, like, black organizations, a partisan source."

The rest is remarkable in its ignorance of the Church's behaviour and amazingly selective outrage, which is most certainly not the act of good people. But then, that stuff was probably mostly written about by Jews.

Robert McDougal I read the PCUSA Guidelines and if Presbyterians were serous:

a. They would practice what they preach, which would be to submit to an endless dialogoue of "engagement" with jewish organizations in order to identify, disclose and address any grievances.

b. They would not limit their divestment policy to Israel, but apply it to every country in the world based upon the same preset standard.

Joe Katzman:

Robert McDougall is in good company. I give you the related example of Guardian columnist Richard Ingrams: . . .

Dumb ploy, to try to put some other guy's words in my mouth so clumsily. Yes of course, when I read someone's remarks on a controversial subject, I try to figure out which side he's coming from; no of course, even on I/P questions, you can't just read that off whether he's Jew or Gentile (as if Tikkun and the ZOA were reading from the same script).

if the writer has a Jewish name . . . I tend not to read it.

In contrast, I'm not ignoring the AJC/ADL remarks, or urging anyone else to do so.

The thought that Mebers of a Jewish lobby group (witch the ADL most certainly is - its focus is not Israel) might have, you know, had the motivation to follow these events closely and come to some conclusions never seems to enter Mr. McDougall's mind.

Someone needs to tell you, Joe, you really are shit at telepathy. Of course they "follow these events closely", it's their day job. That doesn't mean that their judgements and opinions on the sources of Presbyterian attitudes should be passed off as plain fact, as "Hatewatch" wrongly did.

As it happens, another of Rudin's remarks suggests an alternative explanation for the Presbyterians' "virulently anti-Israel stances":

. . . the Presbyterians are regarded as experts on Middle East issues . . .

It does sometimes happen, when a person educates himself on I/P beyond the U.S. mass media reports, he starts to move away from the standard U.S. line; been there, done that.

"Yeah, we get these alleged lynching reports all the time down in Mississippi. But y'know, they're all from, like, black organizations, a partisan source."

Wheee, loaded analogy games. "These so-called civil rights groups are really driven by a Communist ideology -- just read what these segrationist spokesmen have to say about them". Of course it's unfair to liken the AJC and ADL (which do a quantity of good and even necessary work) to Southern segregationists; but not as unfair as to liken ethical investing to lynching.

. . . amazingly selective outrage . . .

Well, I/P's just one of five subheadings under one of ten main headings in their 2004-05 work plan, so they don't seem to be unduly consumed by this one issue.

. . . not the act of good people . . .

Since 1967, Israel has abused its power in the Occupied Territories to appropriate Palestinian land and water to its own benefit, to set up a colonialist regime, in which the interests of the "natives" are subordinated to those of a small settler minority, and access to land, water, transport, and above all security and the legal system are segregated. In the opinion of most of the world, these are crimes against international law; plainly they're crimes against natural justice. No good person would wish to profit from participating in them, and the Presbyterians are rightly taking steps to ensure that they don't.

P.D. Shaw:

They would practice what they preach, which would be to submit to an endless dialogoue of "engagement" with jewish organizations . . .

Well it seems they have so submitted, but the "Jewish organizations" are now backing off. From the original JTA article:

Dialogue isn’t completely dead — a Presbyterian representative will join a Jewish-Protestant mission to Israel next month — but Jewish officials feel little inclination right now to reach out to the Presbyterian leadership.

They would not limit their divestment policy to Israel, but apply it to every country in the world based upon the same preset standard.

The old 191-country gotcha line -- you musn't do anything about a particular situation that comes to your attention, unless you identify and take parallel action on every similar situation. Perhaps you also think they shouldn't "engage Coca-Cola around possible human rights violations at the bottling plants in Columbia" because Columbia might not be the only country in the world where "where union leaders have been targeted by para-military organizations". Or divest from Talisman for helping the Sudanese government from funding the civil war, for fear that some other company might be helping some other government fund some other war. Consistency is good, but not to the point of paralysis.

That said, the Presbyterians have shown a willingness to take up a diversity of causes; if you can identify a new one you think they should take up, maybe you should speak to them about it; you might get a good hearing.

Well, perhaps the Presbyterians should have sought input from the Jewish Community or representatives from Israel before they passed the policy.

I'm not going to wade through that awful policy document again, but it was clear to me that worst offenders exist of whatever international order Presbyterians claim. This policy is "fixed" on Israel, not on peace or human rights or stopping democide.

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We'll be revisiting the Chavez question at some point in the American way. Why send an assassin when you can send an army?

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