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August 29, 2005Iran & al-Qaeda: Pretty Thin!?!by Dan Darling at August 29, 2005 1:49 AM
In this comment, Praktike stated his belief that the evidence for the al-Qaeda leaders in Iran directing operations were pretty thin in his opinion. This kinda grated me because I've spent a lot of time, effort, and research into this so I figured I'll just recap some of the basics and go from there. The History The 9/11 commission covered a lot of this, but it's always nice to recap:
Post-9/11
This is just a short sprinkling and I can certainly go on, but to say that the evidence is pretty thin when you have not only US officials (whose claims to this effect I mostly omitted) but also Spanish, Saudi, French, Turkish, and Jordanian law enforcement and intelligence agencies all saying the same thing strikes me as wildly implausible. About the only possible rebuttals to these types of claims are those provided by Scheuer and Cole, which hold that this is all part of an elaborate Israeli disinformation campaign to get the US to move against Iran. You decide whatever you want to think is more plausible. Al-Qaeda military commander saif al-Adel is also remarkably up-front about this, describing the al-Qaeda reorganization inside Iran as follows:
Al-Adel notes that upon arriving in Iran he and the other al-Qaeda leaders stayed at homes owned by Gulbuddin Hekmatyar's Hizb-e-Islami and that there was an "unspoken understanding" with the Iranians. Now he also notes, as Praktike is sure to point out, that the Iranians arrested a sizeable number of Zarqawi's cohorts and that Zarqawi left for Iraq as a result. Yet he might also want to note that if the "central leadership" and "working groups" that al-Adel mentioned earlier were shut down by the Iranians, he sees no reason to mention it or to take the opportunity to rail against the evil Shi'ites. The fact that he is still writing and able to disseminate them is reason enough to suspect that he's probably up to no good - you figure the Iranians are going to give the same rights to all the folks currently detained at Evin Prison? I'll close by quoting a senior French law enforcement official who was quoted by the Los Angeles Times in August on the subject:
"Going too far" in this case means anything that the Iranians feel would result in war against them - though it seems Qods Force disagrees with the rest of the regime on that point. A final point that I'll go into some further depth on in another medium is the fact that by all accounts, Qods Force supremo Brigadier General Qassem Suleimani has had his hands in some very nasty business over the last several years ranging from protecting al-Qaeda to backing Ansar al-Islam and Zarqawi in Iraq to supporting Muqtada al-Sadr with basically no consequences whatsoever for him. This is one of what I think is one of the most telling indications that he isn't as much of a "rogue element" as the regime likes to maintain for purposes of plausible deniability so that they can reap the benefits of these actions without assuming responsibility for them, but one question that needs to be asked is how long he can be allowed to continue this behavior with virtual impunity. But then again, all the international mechanisms that might be used to hold Suleimani accountable for his actions, to the extent that they are being employed, are being used against US rather than Iranian military officials. Tracked: August 29, 2005 3:28 AM
The Gorelick Wall & Sandy Berger, Update XVI from Flopping Aces
Excerpt: As more time goes by it is becoming more and more apparent that this Commission was nothing but a rubberstamp, political backwashing, committee with no other reason for being other then to push through a concept that 9/11 was no one's fault, and ever...
Tracked: August 29, 2005 3:42 PM
And Iran, Iran so far away from Peace Like A River
Excerpt: In recent days there have been signs there might be an effort underway to prepare a foundation for possible action against Iran at some point in the future. Whether this action is military, economic, or diplomatic remains to be seen.
Tracked: September 7, 2005 1:42 AM
The Link Between Iran and al Qaeda from Time is a Factor
Excerpt: Dan Darling at Winds of Change sums up the links between the two here: "Iran & al-Qaeda: Pretty Thin!?! "
This is just a short sprinkling and I can certainly go on, but to say that the evidence is pretty thin when you have not only US officials (w...
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A double game - ambiguity, decpetion, manipulation. I can see it now - when we eventually overthrow the Ayatollahs and democracy comes to Iran, Michael Moore and company will scream, "But Iran had no alliance wioth Al Qaida!" I believe Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri are in Iran along with the known leadership that is currently there, and I don't believe for a minute that they are being "detained" in any way, shape or form, and instead are being "protected."
#3 from Barry Meislin at 8:25 am on Aug 29, 2005
On the other hand, it's worth noting just why the AQ-Mullah connection, like the AQ-Saddam connection, must be denied. Barry Meislin nails it - the AQ connection to anyone, be it Saddam, the Ayatollahs, whoever, has to be denied, because to acknowledge those connections is to admit that the whole counter-terrorism policy of the 1990s was not only a failure, it was never going to succeed regardless of how long it was implemented.
#5 from praktike at 2:12 pm on Aug 30, 2005
Very suggestive, I'll submit, but still thin in terms of actual evidence rather than assertions. As in, not enough to precipitate military action.
#6 from a at 9:49 pm on Aug 30, 2005
Iran almost fought a war with the Taliban and they were seriously pissed when the Taliban killed a large amount of Iranians so it is completely sensible than they are in cahoots with eachother
#7 from Barry Meislin at 8:28 am on Aug 31, 2005
Here's an article from the Daily Standard - Something of interest, perhaps. (Feel free to ignore.) Praktike still subscribes to the liberal concept of international relations as one big OJ trial. Meanwhile, a remains resolutely ignorant. Of Afghanistan (look up "Hazara"), of the history of the "Great Game" in Afghanistan, and of statecraft generally.
#9 from praktike at 10:14 am on Aug 31, 2005
er, speak for yourself there, buddy. "Iranians play a double game. It is a classic Iranian style of ambiguity, deception, manipulation. Everything they can do to trouble the Americans, without going too far, they do it. They have arrested important Al-Qaeda people, but they have permitted other important Al-Qaeda people to operate." This is very true. They make promises, break them, stall...they are rushing to build the bomb because they know there is a bomb building from within. Thats why I think we should arm a student group. They said it themselves, "God Help them when we are armed". Them = mullahs...
#11 from Sachin Kumar at 12:14 am on Sep 11, 2005
Iran has been not-so-friendly towards US for quite a while,atleast more than Iraq. But I wonder why the CIA was almost certain before they went into Iraq that they had WMDs, but they didn't knew much about what Iran had been doing. This is when you'd think that Intelligence agencies were supposed to be more alter towards a confirmed enemy I would take a "major" Iran-AQ connection with a pinch of salt. This might be another excuse being floated about to have a regime change. All the countries in the region have had some kind of interaction with AQ at some point of time due to political\diplomatic\tactical\strategic reasons but this may not mean they were backing them full steam. A lot of the open source Iran/al-Qaeda evidence comes from countries (Germany, France, Spain) that would be least likely to support regime change. Of the European allies we have that would be the most likely to support such a venture (the UK) has been oddly silent as far as bringing original information to bear on this issue. The Iranians can disprove the claim that are allied with al-Qaeda at any time - all they have to do is produce the 400+ mid to senior level figures who are known to have sought refuge in their country.
#13 from shamico at 12:55 pm on Nov 15, 2006
glad to know your site.
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