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September 20, 2006Thailand - Coup or Countercoup?by 'Callimachus' at September 20, 2006 5:39 AM
I asked my friend Kat, who has lived and worked in Thailand for the past year and a half, to explain what she sees as going on there. Though she's currently visiting in the States, she has her perspective and her contacts. Here's her answer:
- 30 - Tracked: September 20, 2006 6:12 AM
Thailand Update from GZ Expat, Part II
Excerpt: We have several friends in Thailand...and I am sure they are all OK. Here is a great re-cap of why Thailand and the Thai people are at this point in their history...with this quote standing out to me...For whatever reason, he (Thaksin) does not share t...
Tracked: September 21, 2006 4:45 PM
A Reasonable Revolution? from amcgltd
Excerpt: While reading about the recent Thai military coup, I was struck by a lack of explanation in the MSM. The best I could find were vague implications that Thailand's president was a "staunch Bush administration supporter", and that, somehow,...
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#1 from someone at 6:07 am on Sep 20, 2006
Is this about abuse of office, or the (Muslim) military chief's desire to give jihadis in the south what they want? The former is a useful cover, yes, that may even have the benefit of being true.
#2 from Grim at 1:56 pm on Sep 20, 2006
General Sonthi is the real puzzle here, but not because he might 'give jihadis what they want.' He's an ethnic Thai Muslim, and rose to his position mostly through excellence (and only a little bit at the very end because he was Muslim, and they wanted a Muslim to show their good faith). The terrorists in the South are ethnic Malays, and the movement is really about establishing an independent kingdom for Malays in the southern provinces, where ethnic Malays are in a strong majority and where they historically had a kingdom. An aside -- the question of whether the southern militants are tied into the international jihadist movement is one that got a great deal of attention at a Johns Hopkins SAIS seminar last spring. I was there, as was the former Prime Minster of Thailand, Anand Panyarachun, and numerous leaders and academics from within Thailand, as well as a few people who were experts on Thailand but lived elsewhere. The Thai government/military position has been that they can't prove it, and have no firm evidence about it -- Anand assured us this was the case. However, I think the best evidence is that there is some involvement. To return to General Sonthi, though -- a military coup isn't terribly surprising. As Kat noted, Thaksin has been a little too clever in terms of shutting out the opposition. His fake resignation from last spring was remarkable, in that he said he had resigned -- and then that he was only taking a break -- and then that no, he had resigned again -- and then that he would be back -- etc. You would expect people to insist on some clarity in the question of who was actually in charge of the government, but Thaksin seemed to get away with using a fake resignation to let tensions subside -- and then coming right back. What does surprise me is to find General Sonthi at the head of the coup. He's seemed to be dedicated to the principle of keeping the military out of politics -- something that Thailand has been proud to be able to do lately. It's been a regular topic in the Thai press for years, and whenever General Sonthi spoke to the issue, he was firm in his statements that the era of military coups in Thailand was over, and that the present difficulties would have to be resolved politically. Other military men often got angry in public with Thaksin, mostly for using the king's prestige for himself. Sonthi, though, always seemed to be level-headed about keeping the peace between the PM and the military, while making clear that his final loyalty was to the King (who seems like the sort of king to whom one might rightly be loyal). When push came to shove, obviously Sonthi sided with the coup. That's probably to the good -- the man has always impressed me. Still, I do find it surprising. Of course, I haven't been watching Thailand closely for a couple of months, as the contract I was working on ended in July. It may be there were signs I missed b/c I was no longer looking for them. To me, though, it is a bit of a surprise to find Sonthi where he is this morning.
#3 from FabioC. at 2:05 pm on Sep 20, 2006
That's an interesting insight, Grim. So far, I haven't heard any Islamist externation from Sonthi, so I'm not very concerned about him.
#4 from NW at 2:36 pm on Sep 20, 2006
Hi, The background info on Thailand's inner workings and General Sondhi (is it dhi or thi?) is quite illuminating. It's funny because a couple of days ago I watched a TV interview with PM Thaksin and he seems and has always seemed to be an amiable chap, well maybe not. I just need to ask, you stated that General Sondhi is a level headed man and generally apolitical, won't his action give credence or support to Islam opposition in the south at a time when things are quite dicey? Secondly, why does Thailand seems to have a preponderance towards coups (though bloodless?, 17 btw 1932 and 1991)? As someone who used to live and work in Thailand (Phuket), I'll second what Kat said. My contacts are saying much the same. I'm not very worried either. I was kind of expecting a coup, as a matter of fact. I couldn't see any other way they could clean things up. Now let's just hope they do clean things up.
#6 from PD Shaw at 4:13 pm on Sep 20, 2006
why does Thailand seems to have a preponderance towards coups Samuel P. Huntington categorized Thailand as a country that is subject to guardian coups
That last sentence is important, these countries (like Pakistan and Turkey) become dependent upon the military and fail to develop political checks on impropriety. Actually - Thailand is doing pretty well - this is the longest they've gone without a coup. (longest previous period, IIRC was 1958-1971. And at least they do have a check, even if it isn't political.
#8 from Grim at 9:59 pm on Sep 20, 2006
I think that's a good way of looking at it, Kathy. I worked in Thailand for two months (one month each on two separate occasions) and the culture struck me as vibrant, honorable, cooperative, and competitive, in that general order. It's a very complex society, utterly fascinating in its details. The default state for Thais, it seems, is to be friendly and helpful to everyone, up to the point where someone gives one offense too many (and make no mistake, Thais may forgive but they do not forget); then to rain holy hell down upon the offender. Do NOT get a Thai thoroughly pissed at you. (Of course these are all generalizations, and subject to all the caveats generalizations demand.) These traits, I think, make Democracy in Thailand an extremely delicate thing. We're used to a much more rough-and-tumble give-and-take I think. Thais (again, just an outsider's impression) would look on politics as usual in America as incredibly barbaric. Thaksin sounds like the perfect snake-oil salesman to take advantage of all the cultural loopholes to secure and abuse power. What is clear is that Thais see in the king a symbol of all the things Thais idealize about their own culture, and the amazing thing is he has seemed to live up to the position. When he criticized the political mess that Thaksin has made, I have to think that was tacit permission to the military to get involved. As someone who loved his time in Thailand, I hope things stay peaceful. (I'm pretty sure they will, but there is power and money involved....). One way or the other, I'm sure that the next Constitution -- and there will almost certainly be one drafted soon -- will come closer to a stable roadmap for a robust Thai democracy. Thai tend to get things done.
#10 from goldy at 8:11 am on Sep 22, 2006
One questions: Is a coup leader whos has repeatedly denied coups until one week before HIS - trustworthy? Sort of Kitman I'd say
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