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July 18, 2003A Liberal Plansby Armed Liberal at July 18, 2003 4:19 AM
In my earlier post, I'm amazed that I didn't get taken to the woodshed for saying "Bush has no 'grand plan' that he's shared with us or our allies on how we deal with the real issues of the enemies of America and the West. We do, and here it is" (emphasis added) and not saying what the plan actually might have been... So where's the plan? Calpundit (who I would choose in a heartbeat over Atrios as my liberal team's Instapundit, in case anyone happened to ask) leads us to an article by John O'Sullivan in the NRO about appropriate standards for foreign military intervention, which seem like the core of a plan. Greg Wythe follows up with his own comments, and here I'll add mine. O'Sullivan lists 6 basic principles:
I'll suggest that these are somewhat limited, and don't in themselves offer enough of a framework to make decisions, as well as offering enough weasel-phrases '... but national interest is not always self-evident...' to make it hard to determine whether a specific action fits or not. Here is what I'll set out as the initial draft of 'The Armed Liberal Doctrine', and intend as a framework to provoke some more discussion about all this and possible clarify my own murky thinking. We have two hierarchies that determine our decision-making; one is threat, and the other possibility. The threat hierarchy looks like this:
At some point in between 'Likely' and 'Imminent' threat, our response changes from observation, through tacit intervention, to overt intervention. Note that all of these triggers are defensive in nature; i.e. we are responding to an overt threat of violence. I'll note that I specifically say 'our people.' I proudly carry a US passport, and I'll suggest that we ought to make a habit of singling out and punishing people who harm Americans abroad and who otherwise might not be brought to justice. If other countries won't protect our people as well as theirs, or won't offer the same protections to our people, that's an issue that needs to be addressed. I'll suggest an additional axiom to this basic hierarchy: political violence that threatens America is political violence, even if it is in a good cause. I won't support - in any way - any cause that believes it can advance the interests of any group or the moral perfection of the world on the bodies of dead Americans. The possibility hierarchy is harder to articulate (i.e. is not as well thought out) but is generally suggested by the notion that we have a hierarchy from chaotic failed states up through liberal (rule of law liberal) advanced states. If intervention can keep a nation from slipping backward on that hierarchy (i.e. Yugoslavia) or stabilize it in moving upward (i.e. the UK intervention in Sierra Leone), it is likely to be a good thing. The difference between the two hierarchies is that one is a hierarchy of national interest and the other a hierarchy of human interest...i.e. by definition transcending national interests. Clearly, there are intersections; there are connections between catastrophes of possibility and threats to our national well-being. But it offers a useful dividing line between actions we should take alone, and those which we should take in concert with others. Iraq was arguably undertaken to secure the US from further attack by radical Islamists - it did this, first, and foremost, by waking their financial and cultural sponsors up to the fact that attacking the U.S. is no longer something that can be done free of political/military consequences (as opposed to legal/individual ones), and by depriving them of a nation that certainly supported organizations with ties to Islamist terror (Hamas, etc.). Now because we were arguably justified in invading by ourselves doesn't make it a great idea. As we're discovering, some help would be nice to have, and the burden - while not intolerable - would certainly be easier if shared. Liberia is clearly a humanitarian intervention, and as such should be undertaken internationally. This doesn't just mean under color of the UN, it means with troops from other nations riding alongside ours. This is long enough. I'm not expert in large-scale military deployment, but there are some broader, citizen-level issues raised about the effects on the morale of the military and polity brought by the lack of a clear plan and the inability to connect goals with resources. Over the weekend...good news only for tomorrow and Saturday. Tracked: July 18, 2003 6:10 PM
Part IV: Prologue from porphyrogenitus.net
Excerpt: This post will set up Part IV of my "21st Century American Foreign Policy" series (which I hope to write up this weekend) and is part of what is amounting to an ongoing exchange of views with Armed Liberal, as
Tracked: July 19, 2003 4:13 PM
Armed Liberal Adds to O'Sullivan from GregsOpinion.com
Excerpt: In the continuing debate over the precepts for intervention, Armed Liberal has a take on it now. He's onto something
Tracked: July 22, 2003 9:48 AM
The Dividing Lines from porphyrogenitus.net
Excerpt: Fredrik writes: You've outdone yourself this past week, making one insightful post after another, both on your own website and on WoC. Thank you!Thank you; I'm glad you've liked it.I've been thinking about the Niger story and how the Democrats
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You didn't get taken to the woodshed because it wasn't necessary to your argument. The idea that a plan might be developed was implicit. I'm surprised you didn't get taken to the woodshed for saying Bush has no strategy. The idea that the plan you describe could be accepted by the Democrat Party in its current state is also implicit, though another word beginning with "im-" also comes to mind here. While we're at it, here are a few more suggestions for Democrat Party issues. And nice going Conyers, you dork. Way to help with the youth vote. We'll just add it to the pile along with your long "I hate America" liability file.
#3 from linden at 3:48 pm on Jul 18, 2003
I don't think Liberia is just a humanitarian intervention at all. Taylor clearly has links to Al Qaeda. I think we'll eventually see the movement of American troops into bases in Northern Africa and Liberia is the first step toward that goal. But I do think we will try to intervene under and international mandate. I suspect minus another attack at home, we'll be very well behaved with regard to the UN for a while. Well, I didn't take you "to the woodshed" over it because I think I have a fairly reasonable "feel" for what your "Grand Strategy" would look like (in other words, unlike the "pack of hyenas", I credited you with having one based on what I could both see and infer from your earlier writings); your post is pretty much what I figured it would look like. More in a sort of response over on my own blog. Calpundit for President!
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