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An Interview with Christopher Hitchens, Part I

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I had lunch with journalist and author Christopher Hitchens in my hometown of Portland, Oregon, this week and interviewed him over glasses of Johnny Walker Black Label downtown.

The man should need no introduction, but I'll give him one anyway. He's the author or editor of more than twenty books, a journalist, a literary critic, a world traveler, a teacher, and a polemicist who migrated rightward from the radical left and no longer fits in anyone's convenient box. Last year Forbes magazine cited him as one of the 25 most influential liberals in the U.S. media, but at the same time he's a fellow at the conservative Hoover Institution at Stanford. In 2005, Foreign Policy magazine cited him as one of the 100 most influential intellectuals in the world.

He's a regular contributor to Vanity Fair, Slate, and the Atlantic, and his most recent book, God Is Not Great, made him more famous (or, if you prefer, infamous) than ever. His best book, or perhaps I should say my favorite, is Love, Poverty, and War, a rich collection of travel pieces and essays on those three most important of topics.

Hitchens is certainly famous, and is recognized on the street a lot more often than I am. A tall and slightly disheveled man in his fifties rudely interrupted our conversation outside the bar at one point and said "I can't remember your name, but I recognize you from YouTube."

"You should read more," Hitchens said. He didn't remind the man of his name.

Not two minutes later, an attractive young woman walked up to him, squeezed his arm gently, and said "I love you."

"How often does this happen?" I said.

"This," he said and smiled at the pretty young woman, "doesn't happen nearly enough. But that," he said and gestured to the man who recognized him from YouTube and would not go away, "happens too often."

Read the rest at MichaelTotten.com

 

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Hitchens is always provocative and interesting. You've got to admire the spunk and conviction exhibited by the story referenced by MJT about Hitchens defacing the swastika sign in Beirut. Like Whitman, he contains multitudes. The following quotes from his interview with MJT are an interesting case in point.

1. He argues that the Taliban and issuers of reactionary Fatwahs do not represent Islam, they are totalitarian fascists who need to be treated as such. [No disagreement there]

There is now no question that if someone I know is under guard for writing something or saying something or drawing something—and I now know a lot of people who have to live their lives surrounded by bodyguards—it's because they've offended what most ignorant people call Islam.

Five kids from a suburb near me in Washington were just arrested because they want to go "fight for Islam" in Afghanistan. Why doesn't that mean they go fight for the Northern Alliance? Or for the rights of the Hazara people? Or for the emancipation of Muslim women? Or for any other number of Islamic causes? To them it can only mean the Taliban.

If we grant that these people are right or that they have a point, we grant that the Taliban does represent Islam. If we grant that the completely contrived protest against Danish cartoons by a few mullahs represents Islamic emotion, how much more contemptuous of Islamic people could we be?

2. On the other hand he argues that Hasan (Fort Hood shooter) is a symptom of run amock political correctness, as has been expressed here by others.

You've been around enough to know that someone who showed the symptoms of Major Hasan in the army of Algeria, or Syria, or Tunisia, or Turkey, would have been in jail long before he could have gunned down his fellow soldiers. These countries know very well from bitter experience that you can't allow zealotry in the army. We say no, rather than offend Muslims we will allow zealotry in our army.

3. And he argues that this indulgence of political correctness is attributable to fear of being seen as Islamaphobic, or racist.

Underneath this indulgence, Michael, this lenience we inflict on ourselves and others, is a vague feeling among millions in the West that Islam is somehow the religion of millions of the oppressed third world, of the brown-skinned, and of the black-skinned in Somalia and Nigeria. What I call the cultural cringe is involved. It's subliminal, but it's played on by terms like Islamophobia coined by the propaganda of the other side. It's designed to make you feel bad even if you don't like it. It's thought crime. The attempt is to make Islamophobia something you'll be as reluctant to be accused of as being a racist.

What he's saying in 1 is don't confuse Islam with reactionary political forces responsible for the mess the Islamic world is in. I think by 2 and 3 he means don't back down from attacking swastikas on the road, don't hesitate to publish politcal cartoons like the Kurt Westergaard's (Muhammad with the bomb turban), and don't flinch from moving against zealots, like Hasan, who pose a threat for fear of being called racist. The first two of these examples are laudable examples of free expression in support of an open society. The example of Hasan cannot be quarreled with as such, but one must acknowledge it comes with a risk of confusing zealots for the Northern Alliance, for the rights of the Hazara people, for the emancipation of Muslim women, or for any number of other Islamic causes, as Hitchens says, with politcal reactionaries like the Taliban.

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