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August 27, 2003

Congratulations, Daniel Pipes!

by Joe Katzman at August 27, 2003 5:45 AM

Copngratulations to Daniel Pipes, who was just made a recess appointment to the U.S. Institute of Peace by President Bush (Hat Tip: reader Shirley Anne Haber). I'd say a few words, but since he's had to be silent for the last 5 months, it seems only fair to let Pipes speak for himself.

Letters of thanks and support should be sent to The U.S. President's email address. Oh, and by the way Mr. Pipes... love your project idea for the USIP.

UPDATE: Button may not know Daniel Pipes, but the ravings of this letter Button excerpts amply demonstrates the nature of Pipes' enemies.


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#1 from button at 12:01 pm on Aug 27, 2003

I just blogged an op-ed about Pipes during the overnight.

http://eclectchap.blogspot.com

I'm tired now. Gotta crash.

#2 from klaatu at 3:47 pm on Aug 27, 2003

Yeah, well Chris Hitchens doesn't think it's a good idea. As he says, "Why would [Pipes] want the job?"

http://slate.msn.com/id/2086844/

#3 from Joe Katzman at 4:04 pm on Aug 27, 2003

Daniel Pipes responded to Hitch's article on his blog. I think that reply pretty much speaks for itself.

#4 from klaatu at 5:12 pm on Aug 27, 2003

Not really a reply so much as an attack on Hitch: This lunatic attacked Bob Hope, Mother Teresa, Kissinger, and ME!

I did read the article that Pipes linked to: pretty much says that the solution is beating the Palestinians into submission, with no delineation for final borders proposed.

I think the U.S. Inst. of Peace is probably a waste of whatever taxpayer monies it spends, but given that it exists, Hitch's point is well taken: do we really have to load up the board with Likudniks? Aren't Feith and the head of AIPAC enough?

#5 from Joe Katzman at 7:50 pm on Aug 27, 2003

We do need to load it up with people who actually understand the Arab-Muslim world, seeing it accurately and telling the truth. You would prefer terror apologist Edward Said, perhaps? No, don't answer that. Speaking for myself, I'm very happy about this appointment.

And perhaps you could stop deliberately misconstruing Pipes' argument long enough to actually read it. To quote:

"Actually, I was not commenting on dispossession at all - typical sloppy Hitchens style to make a faulty assumption and then go on the rampage against it - but on the peculiar and specific United Nations definition of a "Palestinian refugee" that differs from the definition of any other refugee.

That happens to be the topic of my column today, "The Refugee Curse," which I hope Hitchens will keep quiet long enough to read and learn from. (August 19, 2003)"

#6 from klaatu at 8:23 pm on Aug 27, 2003

Yeah, I agree the "refugee" issue is a red herring. Nobody seriously thinks they're going to come back, at least to 1967-borders Israel.

But really, what's Pipes' solution to the currently occupied territories?

#7 from Joe Katzman at 8:39 pm on Aug 27, 2003

Well, if he's hiding one he ought to let the world know, because it sure has everyone else flummoxed. Except most Arabs, of course, who think the solution is to kill all the Jews and Islamicize the country.

If you're hiding a solution of your own to this issue, Klaatu, how about sharing it with us?

#8 from Robin Roberts at 8:49 pm on Aug 27, 2003

It is the conclusion of many serious thinkers that beating the Palestinians "into submission" is a necessary step to getting them to the point of accepting the need for sincere negotiations. By some polls, a majority of Palestinians profess a preference for continuing the war against Israel.

The sticking point in negotiations isn't the viability of borders in fact but the necessity of Palestinians to accept settlement of the issue and the end of victimhood.

#9 from klaatu at 9:51 pm on Aug 27, 2003

As a matter of fact I do have a solution. To propose, that is. Of course every solution has its problems, but I will propose one which has some details:

Israel returns to the 1967 borders, with the exception of East Jerusalem and some MINOR adjustments around the borders, mostly where the "suburbs" of Jerusalem have been built since 1967. The Palis could maybe get some compensation for this along the southern border of the West Bank or somewhere.

For the general outlines of the demographics, download one of the versions of the demographic map on this page:

http://www.peacenow.org.il/English.asp?Redirect=4&ReportID=38

The demographic map shows that continued occupation is untenable, unless you're willing to resort to extreme measures.

Then you build the wall. A high wall. With fences, too.

Of course the USA guarantees Israel's security, even if those air- and sub-launched nukes aren't enough.

The Israelis in places like Hebron or Ariel don't have to leave. They just can't expect to have the Israeli army policing their neighborhood forever, or the Israelis in Tel Aviv to put up with suicide bombing forever for the sake of their wanting to live in some outpost.

#10 from klaatu at 9:53 pm on Aug 27, 2003

Or maybe it's better idea to build the wall first.

#11 from Robin Roberts at 10:06 pm on Aug 27, 2003

Which is essentially what Israel is doing.

#12 from Christopher Luebcke at 10:31 pm on Aug 27, 2003

No, not a fence. A forty foot high, twenty foot deep, ten foot thick wall, monitored in, above, and below. I'm thinking Escape from New York here. At least that's how I'd be thinking if I was living in Tel Aviv.

#13 from button at 10:38 pm on Aug 27, 2003

I just came back online to discover that I've been Winds-alanched!!

My site meter records this as the highest visiting day to my blog with 146 so far and it's only 5 pm. Most of the visitors are from W of C.

Hey, thanks!

P.S. I have read Thesiger. I wonder if I get a brownie point for that ;-)

#14 from Joe Katzman at 11:37 pm on Aug 27, 2003

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