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Hatewatch Briefing 2004-11-19

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Welcome! This briefing will be looking hard at the dark places most mainstream media seem determined to look away from, to better understand our declared enemies on their own terms and without illusions. Our goal is to bring you some of the top jihadi rants, idiotarian seething, and old-school Jew-hatred from around the world, leaving you more informed, more aware, and pretty disgusted every month. This Winds of Change.NET HateWatch briefing is brought to you by Lewy14. (Email me at my handle "hatewatch" here at windsofchange.net). Past briefings and posts on related topics can be found here. Entil'zha veni!

HIGHLIGHTED TOPICS

  • Religious Hate: Full translation of Van Gogh killer’s bloody post-it note; Germans fear Islamist hate while Islamist fears German BO; Official Saudi forum documents intra-Islamic hatred in curricula; British Muslim activist: hostages "legitimate targets"; Iraqi Christians intimidated during Ramadan; German scholar of the Koran threatened; American student charged with aiding jihad in Somalia; Blasphemy in Pakistan.
  • Idiotarian Seethings: Anti-Muslim violence in Holland; Guardian: Van Gogh had it coming; “Prominent Muslim Pundit” applauds van Gogh murder; Dutch Foreign Minister’s strained definition of peace and tranquility; More British documentary revisionism on terror?; Anti-Semitism Zionism in Spain; Garrison Keillor’s unfunny wit.
  • Race and Culture: Norway forbids Jews to commemorate Kristallnact; Intimidation by pro-Palestinian group at SFSU; Anti-Semitic vandalism in Dublin; Nazis in ’08 election.
  • A Hopeful Note: French Muslim group issues secularist manifesto; Arab reformers propose to outlaw hate.

Religious Hate:

  • The invaluable Zacht Ei has posted a translation of the five page bloody post-it note left attached by a knife to the body of Theo Van Gogh. The letter is a threat against Hirshi Ali, the Muslim apostate refusenic who wrote the script for Van Gogh’s film Submission. Hirshi Ali is now in hiding.
  • Via LGF and Davids Medienkritik, evidence that the Germans are worried about Islamist violence spilling over into their country.
    With 3.4 million Muslims comprising 4 percent of Germany's population, the question was put this way by a banner headline in the conservative Bild newspaper: "Is the hate going to come here?" asked the biggest selling tabloid. The Berliner Zeitung, a left-leaning paper in the German capital where about 200,000 mainly Turkish Muslims live, claims to know the answer: "The feelings of hated against the majority Christian society are growing."
    Some public figures are taking strong stands:
    [German interior minister Otto] Schily drew headlines earlier this year with a harsh warning to Islamic fundamentalists: "If you love death so much, then it can be yours."
    Whoa there, cowboy. Then there’s this:
    Holland… now faces "the rubble" of its failed policy of tolerant multi-culturalism for which it was the European flagship during the past decades.
    Neo-con? No, an “old Europe” technocrat, who argues that Germany is better off for having enforced laws on cultural integration of Muslim immigrants. It seems the only players here who remember their lines are the clerics:
    “These Germans, these atheists, these Europeans don’t shave under their arms and their sweat collects under their hair with a revolting smell and they stink,” said the preacher at the Mevlana Mosque in Berlin’s Kreuzberg district, in the film made by Germany’s ZDF public TV, adding: “Hell lives for the infidels! Down with all democracies and all democrats!”
    Funnier than Garrison Keillor, anyway (see below).
  • MEMRI has translated a study of Saudi religious curricula at the Second Forum for National Dialogue, held almost a year ago. This study documents the “worst practices” of Saudi religious education. While other sources (notably Israeli) have documented these practices, it is instructive to see them enumerated and described by the Saudi’s themselves, in a forum under the imprimatur of the Crown Prince – nullifying the tactic of dismissing these charges as Zionist propaganda. Perhaps it is possible to make too much of this; disrespect for religious instruction by insufferable adults being a universal attitude among the world’s youth. But some attention is demanded:
    An example of this is the curricula's instruction to hate for the sake of religion. The curricula say: "Hate for the sake of Allah, that is, hate the others who oppose the commandments of the proper religion." The researchers state, "A declaration of enmity against those of his Companions who were lax [in their religious observance] is not among the traits of the Prophet – who [actually] was quick to forgive."
    NB: the emphasis here is that the curricula were deemed hostile to other Muslims, and this is the primary reason to reform. Complaints by non-Muslims about hostility are not seen as a reason to reform; rather reform should take place in spite of such requests. The study is quite long but worth reading in its entirety, as much for the perspective on the Saudi “reformers” as for the indictment of the Islamists.
  • Anjem Choudary is a British Islamist, here interviewed by The Observer:
    Pressed on how Margaret Hassan could be a 'legitimate target' given her opposition to the 2003 invasion of Iraq and her humanitarian work there, Choudary replied: 'She is aiding the occupying power. Even if someone gives an American or British soldier so much as a drink of water, they are backing the occupiers. If you look at the Koran, in one verse in particular it permits the seizure of hostages. Hostage-taking has been part of the Islamic tradition from the time of the Crusaders.'
    Western conservatives who advance such arguments about the Koran are often dismissed as bigots, so it is satisfying (in a dark, unattractive way) to hear the Islamists advance them. I don’t care about the “correct” exegesis of the permissibility of shooting hostages like Hassan. I care that the shooters believe that they are correct.
  • More evidence that the situation for Christians in Iraq is deteriorating:
    "They say you have to cover your hair or we will kill you," [Ameera] Dawoud said by telephone from the northern city of Mosul. "If you don't wear a veil, people look at you as if you were naked."… "Things weren't like that. During last Ramadan, we used to wear what we wanted and to go out whenever we wanted," the 30-year-old Dawoud said. "Now, I'm terrified, very scared."
    How bad is it?
    Pascale Isho Warda, a Christian who is the interim government's minister for displacement and migration, has estimated as many as 15,000 out of Iraq's nearly 1 million Christians have left the country since the August attacks on churches.
    Bad, but perhaps not hopeless, and still possible to turn around. It’s legitimate to ask if this is all Islamist inspired violence:
    Bishop Moussa said some criminal groups mask their intentions in religious garb and make threats just to blackmail Christians. Others do it out of ideological stances or political beliefs.
    Perhaps, as in Nigeria, it’s the beer.
  • “Christoph Luxenberg” is the pseudonym of a German scholar who has published research on the (non-divine) origins of the Koran. His reaction to the Van Gogh murder?
    "The safety of experts on Islam is topical again," he said -- in a surprisingly detached tone for the author of a critique of the Koran who fears it could one day spark similar anger.
    Why the pseudonym?
    The fate of Islamic reformers in the Arab world is sobering. In the 1990s in Egypt, the writer Faraq Foda was gunned down for criticizing fundamentalists and Cairo University professor Nasr Hamid Abu Zaid was forced to divorce his wife and flee abroad for examining the Koran in its historical context… although he originally thought he could publish under his own name, Muslim friends warned him not to. He said van Gogh’s murder "confirms how right they were"....
    Luxenberg’s book "The Syro-Aramaic Reading of the Koran" appears in English translation next year.
  • Kids these days:
    "I hate the U.S. gov't; I wish I could have been flying one of the planes on Sept. 11."
    Where could a kid get ideas like this?
    Mark Robert Walker, 19, of Rochester, N.Y., had become interested in Islam at a mosque in his hometown, said one official familiar with the case, according to the Washington Post.
    That one brainless young man would utter such a thing informs me of nothing – but Walker acted as well, and is now charged with aiding terrorists to institute Islamic government in Somalia.

Idiotarian Seethings:

  • Robert Spencer on the arson against Dutch Muslim institutions in the wake of the Van Gogh murder:
    Vigilante attacks like these are always wrong.
    If only such straightforward moral clarity were more common. Spencer links to news of these attacks, and Slate has a roundup of the violence in the Netherlands. Between the utopian and naïve multiculturalism of the Left and the hateful xenophobic legacy of the Right, the need for a “third way” for Europe has never been more urgent.
  • Reporting on the Van Gogh murder, The Guardian’s Jon Henley appears to blame the victim. Robert Spencer nails him in a brief Fisking which I cannot improve on:
    The centre-right Dutch government has only succeeded in fanning the flames by calling for greater integration of immigrants through language tests and citizenship classes, and recently fuelled even more controversy with plans to repatriate up to 26,000 failed asylum seekers.
    There goes the media again, turning the victim into the perpetrator and the perpetrator into the victim. The wicked Dutch fanned the flames. Is it any wonder that one of the poor immigrants snapped?
    In the midst of this tinderbox, insisting on their right to speak freely and with the support of many Dutch people, Hirsi Ali and Van Gogh scattered their sparks - a blistering critique of Islam - with magnificent disregard for the feelings they might be offending.
    Ah. Magnificent disregard for offended feelings. Old Theo had it coming, eh?Magnificent disregard for offended feelings” is something the Guardian is arguably guilty of itself, and impinging on its “insistence to speak freely” is not something it would suffer silently. Forbearance and discretion are for others, apparently. See also this Fisking of an AP story.
  • It seems not every voice condemned Van Gogh’s killing:
    There was little sympathy to be found for Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh on a Danish internet forum posting by Danish Muslim pundit Omar Shah. Commenting on last Tuesday's killing of van Gogh on a closed Internet forum, Omar Shah reportedly wrote: ‘Too bad that he (van Gogh) no longer has the pleasure of practicing his perverse artwork, or rather Alhamdullilalh (Thank God).
    Then there’s this guy, who in an interview claims that “murder is normal”, a view he holds not because of his religious leaders, but in spite of them.
  • There’s something not right about the European attitude towards the Palestinian Authority. Charles Johnson links to a pair of stories which illustrate part of the problem:
    The EU presidency is “very satisfied with the tranquil and peaceful temporary transfer of power,” Dutch Foreign Minister Ben Bot told reporters in The Hague.
    Of course a shootout between security forces leaving two dead would not be considered “tranquil” in any western country. What Minister Bot is guilty of here is the soft bigotry of low expectations.
  • Carol Gould, writing in Frontpage, shines the light on a British TV documentary “The New World War” by Jonathan Dimbleby. Gould claims the piece whitewashes the terrorist group Hezbollah. I’ve not seen the documentary, but her charges are damning. I’d be interested if readers had any more information.
  • Seen in the small Spanish town of Oleiros:
    “Let’s stop the animal, Sharon the assassin, stop the neo-Nazis”.
    Graffiti? No, an official municipal sign, with bright red letters. It’s just anti-Zionism, you see. Check out the sign - spiffy for a town of “a few thousand”. Every town needs an anti-Zionism display – yours has one, doesn’t it?
  • Garrison Keillor, speaking at the University of Chicago:
    “I’m trying to organize support for a constitutional amendment to deny voting rights to born-again Christians,” Keillor smirked. “I feel if your citizenship is in Heaven—like a born again Christian’s is—you should give up your citizenship.
    Snark though it may be, Keillor’s “wit” has crossed the line of civility, as the analogies raised by Eugene Volohk demonstrate.

Race and Culture:

  • Norwegian authorities have apparently prevented Jews from participating in march commemorating the 66th anniversary of Kristallnacht. Andrew Sullivan’s friend Bruce Bawer reports from Norway:
    On the TV2 evening news, a group of Jews and their friends who wanted to take part in the commemoration were shown being firmly told by a policeman to "please leave the area." This in a city where Muslim demonstrations take place on a regular basis, and include signs and banners bearing hateful, barbaric slogans.
    Not hatred perhaps, but an inexplicable and indefensible double standard. More at LGF.
    [Update: commenter David Fleck links to a Bjørn Stærk post which presents evidence contradicting this interpretation of the events.]
  • Frontpage’s Lee Kaplan reports on ugly incidents at SFSU in the wake of the elections. [Hat tip: LGF]
    Lee Wolf, another College Republicans member, described one of the women on Monday as shouting, “The only way we can defeat you is to kill as many as possible! I’d rather die a suicide bomber’s death than to call myself an American!”
    Fortunately for this woman, no-one is demanding she call herself an American. Check out the pictures.
  • The story is sad and familiar: a synagogue, a museum and cultural center, a cemetery – all defaced with black swastikas. But according to this article in the Guardian, the tiny Jewish community in Dublin, Ireland has never known this kind of vandalism. It appears fine folks at Stormfront have moved in.
  • Perhaps not persuaded by some popular claims regarding Bush’s Nazi affiliation, The National Socialist Movement will field actual Nazis for the 2008 election. Just more practitioners of “white identity politics”, I suppose. What to do about Godwin’s Law?

A Hopeful Note:

  • Via Jihadwatch: a group of Muslims in France calls for secularism within the traditions of Muslim culture to counter political Islam:
    “We are of Muslim culture, we oppose misogyny, homophobia, anti-Semitism and the political use of Islam. We reassert a living secularism”
    What I find encouraging is that while I might argue with some of the points contained in the manifesto, I get the feeling that such an argument is possible, which is more than half the battle.
  • I like this idea, even if the implementation would prove intractable: A group of Arab liberals have proposed to create an international tribunal to prosecute terrorists and those that incite terror, e.g. radical Islamist clerics. They cite examples, including:
    "On February 13, 2002, the London-based Al-Hayat newspapers published a fatwa issued by the Saudi Sheikh Ali Bin Khodair Al-Khodhari approving and condoning Al-Qa'ida's 9/11 terrorist acts in New York and Washington. In his fatwa, the Sheikh said, 'It is astonishing to mourn the [American] victims as being innocents. Those victims may be classified as infidel Americans which do not deserve being mourned, because each American, as to his relation to American government, is a warrior, or supporter, in money or opinion. It is legitimate to kill all of them as combatant; or non-combatant, such as the old, the blind, or non-Muslims…'
    There ought to be a law… problematic, but I like the sentiment. Daniel Pipes is pleased to note that the petition has received 2,500 signatures from people in 23 countries.

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Tracked: November 21, 2004 2:56 AM
Saturday Articles Roundup from Pearsall's Books
Excerpt: I'm still recharging my batteries a little bit and working on a couple of new large pieces, having done 5000 words on Central Asia and around 3000 on Puritanism. Anyways, here are some links to some articles on stuff involving the Abrahamic religions...

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We are threatened with a return to the Dark Ages, but with a technological wrapper.

Good work.

Steve

As Bjørn Stærk reports, there may be a bit more to the 'no Jews allowed at Kristallnacht' story than first indicated. (Or not. Anyway, it's not as cut'n'dried as it sounds.)

Keillor smirked .. “I feel if your citizenship is in Heaven—like a born again Christian’s is—you should give up your citizenship."

The "born again" qualifier is very important here. In Keillor's liberal-bourgeois culture, it's not yet cool to be openly bigoted against Catholics and Episcopalians, just evangelicals. (Make that white evangelicals.)

Catholics and black Southern Baptists might be disappointed to learn that they are not considered citizens of Heaven, too. But they'd better keep their mouths shut about it, or they might be suspected of having dual loyalties.

While this isn't hatred against Jews, it is hatred spewed nonetheless. We always hear about how intellectually and morally superior the Europeans are supposed to be, yet they apparently can't get through a soccer match without hurling racial slurs at black players, who were called monkeys by opposing fans.

Lewy, I think this translation captures the threatening aspect really well--
Ms Ayaan Hirshi Ali and the rest of the extremist infidels: Islam has survived through the many hostilities and repressions in History. Each time the pressure on Islam is increased, this has but rekindled the fire of faith. Islam is like a plant that has died and, by many years of pressure and extremely high temperatures, has been shaped into a diamond. A dead plant which has been formed by the whims of time into the strongest precious stone on this earth. A precious stone on which the hardest sledgehammer breaks.
AYAAN HIRSHI ALI YOU WILL BREAK YOURSELF HITTING ISLAM!
You and your comrades know very well that the Islamic youth of today is a diamond in the rough which needs only to be polished, so that it can spread the penetrating light of Truth. Your intellectual terrorism will not stop this, on the contrary it will only speed it up. Islam will be victorious through the blood of its martyrs. It will spread its light in every dark corner of this earth and it will drive evil back into its murky cave, with the sword if necessary.
This struggle which has broken out is different from all previous struggles. De infidel fundamentalists have started it and Insha Allahm the true believers will end it. There will be no mercy for the perpetrators of injustice, only the sword will be raised against them. No discussion, no demonstrations, no marches, no petitions: only DEATH shall separate Truth from Lies.
Say, "Verily, the death which you are trying to avoid will surely find you, afterwards you shall be taken back to the Knower of the unknowable and He shall then tell you what you used to do." (62:.
And as a great Prophet once said:
"And I know for certain that you, O Pharao, will perish." (17:102)
Thus we also want to use similar words and let them precede us, so that the skies and the stars will pick up this news and spread it in all corners of the universe.
"I know for certain that you, O America, will perish."
"I know for certain that you, O Europe, will perish."
"I know for certain that you, O Netherlands, will perish."
"I know for certain that you, O Hirshi Ali, will perish."
"I know for certain that you, O infidel fundamentalist, will perish."
Hasboena Allah wa ni3ma alwakeel
Ni3ma alMawla wa Ni3ma anNasseer

from Siyarikat at gnxp. I think "perish" is a better translation than "fall".

#2 David Fleck,

Thanks for the link. I read the Bjørn Stærk post, and updated my main post (see above).

I'd give Bjørn serious consideration. On the other hand, I'm skeptical of labels like “extreme right wing anti-immigrant” when applied to European political parties and organizations – these labels were once applied to Pim Fortuyn, and quite unfairly. So I’m curious as to what exactly makes the parties in question so beyond the Pale. That said, there are parties on the right which are unsavory at best – like I said, the parties of the right and left in Europe leave much to be desired with respect to commonsense approach to immigration, and what is needed is an anti-fascist, anti-idiotarian “third way”.

And so finally, and back to the topic, if the implication was that Jews did not participate in this event when in fact they did, then this is an error of fact which needs correction.

Jinn, thanks. Did Siyarikat do an entire translation?

I gathered a great deal of material on the Van Gogh murder, more than I could use. I finally decided to simply lead with the translation of Mohammed B's rant, and let him speak for himself. Our self declared enemy, in his own words.

Lewy, yah. It's in the comments here towards the end. Siyarikat did the best translation I've seen, he really captures the rage and the threat. His translation of the qu'ranic verses from "The Overturning" sura (part of the note)is really good, also.

For a hint look at the smears thrown at Dr Rice.

The democrat party was always the slaver party, and they still are, they simply evolved from chattle slavery of blacks to marxist slavery of everyone.

Margret Sangers planned parenthood was all about Eugenics and lowering the population of blacks, I can go on at length with example after example.

All thruout the black members of our party are slimed as being tokens, they are called sellouts, oreos, Belefonte's slime of Colon Powell as a house slave etc.

Are there racists of every sort still around ?, sure ! the democrat from Virginia, Byrd was the former grand dragon of the KKK, David Duke hate concerts are listed on the stormfront site. And one must not forget that the NAZIs they idolize are a marrage of socialism and racism, two bedfellows that you find almost always sleeping together. Sometimes hidden, sometimes not.

Ohh the Republicans do have a smattering of kooks that vote for republicans, but we dont look to them as a source of ideas or influence, we dont feel any need to cater to them.

The democrats however, their kooks are the core of their party, Peter Singer is interchangable with M Moore, and its no secret why the CPUSA supported Kerry. and look at the Jew Hatered and anti zionist cause the left now call their own.

The democrats have to cater to their kooks, we dont, perhaps some of you can give us credit for the difference.

I am one of those that saw my dream machine in popular electronics, the altair 8800 kit that took me a full 2 years of parts gathering (as money became avaialble) to build the thing. (and after that a trs80 M1 in 1977) Oh the days when you fixed your machine by replacing cooked tra state buss trancivers eh ? and when machines came with circut drawings that would indeed come in handy many times over its usefull life.

I built my first large killowatt scale radio amp when I was 14 years old, and you have to know a bit of physics when your device is not defined by plans, but a deep understanding and the content of the parts tables at the Ham radio Convention and swapfest, and in learning how the universe works, some of us. like me found God staring back at us.

But to hear the left thse days, because im Christian, I am some kind of ignorant hick, a red state knuckle dragger. understanding of concepts like factual reality, objective truth, histories lessons, and the idea that truth is a discovery not an invention, that fact and opinion are not the same thing, that the latter is only valid if based on the former, all these things are seen as "false cognition" by those comming out of achedamia with their marxist indoctrinated postmodern mental dysfunction where right and wrong is nothing more but a political calulation, right in your face they invert right and wrong in a manner that would cause George Orwell thoughts to lockup in shock. where their values are not inverted they are morally obtuse.

One way the left attacked American principles of freedom was by pointing to slavery, rightly so in a way, but the way they went about it was wrong because their agenda demands dishonesty and deception. its the principle of freedom itself that they was actually attacking.

Those of us on the right saw it differently, the victory over slavery wasnt won by invalidating the princple. Instead we say the principle of freedom is immutable, it came from god, and that the victory was its extension to everyone.

There is the tactic of smearing us by making exception the rule and then defining all of us thusly is unfair, the fringe nutjobs are not and never was, looked to for any advice, nor is any input from them ever deemed of value.

Big difference with the democrats, who are, in reality a coalition of varios marxist liberal pressure groups, without their kooks, the Libertarian party memebership would probably outnuber them. and I doubt thats hyperbole.

Would we run a ticket with Condoleza Rice and JC Watts with race as part of the political calulation? Sure !

If we thought they would make good leaders of the free world and would advance our values you damn right. but that would be equally undeserving of the cynical "token" smear and sneer.

The use presidency, CIC, the most powerfull position on the planet, should tend to toss the mangled wrench onto the gears of the race huckster machine.

But what do we see? the left are all manicaly unhinged and spitting foaming mouth near incoherrent grasping for new insults, they cant help themselves.

It reminds you that the democrat party is without principles, that their black followers are only looked at as Usefull Idiots, in a way the white liberals only think of them as stage fixtures for agitprop, any black person that is not a usefull tool of the left is degraded and smeared with all the old steriotypes.

I see this as little different from what is going on in socialist Europe, its all hists and glimpses of the same beast.

Ah, Raymond, I did notice the Condi Rice cartoons. It would appear that the partisan divide between racists and non-racists is as clear to you as, well, black and white, for lack of a better term. It's not so clear from where I sit.

My memory is just as long as yours, and I go by Jane's rule: the party in power is smug and arrogant. The party out of power in insane. More to the point, the extremists of a party are marginalized when that party is in power, and empowered when it is out of power.

Rants against racism can hardly be called off topic in this thread. Partisan rants can be, and will be.

>>some of us. like me found God staring back at us.

I'd be interested in what empirical evidence made you come to this conclusion.

Raymond, when you mix up amateur radio and mysticism you come off sounding a bit kooky yourself. As someone who shares your interests, I have found it best to keep such sentiments to oneself.

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