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November 10, 2003Iran In Focus: 2003-11-10by Joe Katzman at November 10, 2003 3:28 AM
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Other Topics Today Include: Nukes update; State Dept. perfidity; Freedom & Democracy supporters strike back; Many question Nobel winner Shirin Ebadi; Anniversary of US Embassy seizure; Son of Zahra Kazemi accepts award and rejects Ebadi's help; 1994 car bombing of a Argentine Jewish facility; More demonstrations in Iran; Islamic Reformation; Iranian Freedom & Democracy Movie. Iran's Quest for the Bomb
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#1 from Andrew Lazarus at 9:50 pm on Nov 10, 2003
Michael Ledeen pinned the tail on the donkey with his assessment that "..the bit about supporting democracy in Iran is the usual State Department two-step: They tell you what they think you want to hear, and then, figuring you won't read the small print, they go ahead and do what they want to do, which is usually to appease the tyrants and open a new round of negotiations."Did you hear the one about the man who killed his parents and threw himself on the mercy of the court because he was an orphan? From a review of one of Ledeen's books posted at his own AEI site: Mr. Ledeen has first hand knowledge of Iran's control of Hezbollah. He was one of President Reagan's key interlocutors with Ayatollah Khomeini's government in the mid-1980s, when he helped coordinate the U.S. missile sales to Iran that ultimately persuaded the Iranians to release the hostages Hezbollah detained.In other words, Ledeen on behalf of the Reagan Administration was an interlocutor (that is, negotiated) with a tyrant and appeased him with arms. What I like best is how he now writes against even the Bush State Department [!] without the least sense of remorse or irony. Geopolitics makes for strange bedfellows, and your argument is self-defeating. If Ledeen does indeed have insider knowledge and has changed his position since, that makes him MORE credible - not less. One might also observe that the world in 2003 is just a wee bit different than the world in 1983. In case you hadn't noticed or anything. Could it be that the world around Ledeen has changed, and so his views on specific countries' threat levels and appropriate U.S. policies have changed with it? What a unique concept! Meanwhile, what's your position on Iran? You never seem to say.
#3 from Andrew Lazarus at 10:28 pm on Nov 10, 2003
Joe Katzman, your argument about insider knowledge of one who recants is superficial and often false. Take, for example, Jacques Doriot, who went from being one of France's leading Trotskyists between the wars to dying in Germany, an active Nazi collaborationist. Wrong twice! In any event, the problem with Ledeen is not that he has changed his mind about appeasing dictators, although it would be nice to know why and under what circumstances. The problem is his high-handed moral censure of the State Department for (allegedly) doing exactly what he used to do without any of the penitential affect expected of the reformed sinner. It's like hearing about family values from flagrant adulterers like Newt Gingrich and George Will. To answer your question, I think we should offer the democratic forces in Iran whatever help they ask of us, including "none" if they (quite plausibly) feel that their movement would be tainted if seen as American-supported. Do I think we are preparing a totally-secret attack as the opening of an undeclared war on Iran? I sure hope not. (What's Farsi for "Pearl Harbor"?) Andrew - It almost sounds as though you're treating political actions and maneuvoring of an invidiual from two distinctly different time periods as though they have occured within a vaccum untouched by agendas and policy of a certain time period. You do what you do at a given time and place based on your objectives and the surrounding environment and scenario. Ledeen is attacking the State Dept. now because he feels they are wallowing down a path that won't be good for the country and the world (path of appeasing dictators).
#5 from Andrew J. Lazarus at 5:42 am on Nov 11, 2003
Ledeen is attacking the State Dept. now because he feels they are wallowing down a path that won't be good for the country and the world (path of appeasing dictators).That's only part of my argument. First, he didn't always feel that way. His role in the 1980s was to appease a dictator because George Schultz's State Department wouldn't. He is saying the usual behavior of the State Department is something immoral ("appease" is a value-laden word), which he himself did on at least one occasion that they did not. I am definitely not saying that Ledeen isn't entitled to change his mind. What I don't accept is how he now takes what appears to be a morality-based and universal stand (and not a practical/realist and locative stand) without any signs of remorse or repentance, or any explanation why he moved away from his own policy of appeasing dictators. Even assuming, for the sake of argument, that the State Department is doing exactly what he says, isn't it possible that their reasons for doing so now are as good or better than his reasons for doing so then? He does not even address this question. Instead, he takes as self-evident now a precept he did not even believe earlier. Your quite correct comment that times change cuts both ways. Maybe he thinks we have all forgotten! Thanks folks for a very detailed and interesting briefing on Iran. You guys dig really deep! I tried to ping your post over from *FToI* but got an error message. At any rate, there is a fresh post there on Zahra Kazemi's case you might be interested in, here is the link: Babak - I just read your piece "Hacemi vs. Ebadi". I for one, and I know for a fact many people definitely lean towards the side of Kazemi's son in this matter and are united with him in demanding the return of Kazemi's body to Canada as well as an international trial. In theory this idea and concept of the Ebadi, an Iranian - Muslim woman winning nobel peace prize is great, but in practice it's starting to look more and more as a ploy by the regime and EU to maintain the status quo and continue pushing the little engine of reform that is not likely to ever bring about any reform.. Nevertheless, great piece.. In Unity -
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