|
March 2, 2007Pakistan wants the US out of Afghanistanby Nitin Pai at March 2, 2007 9:12 AM
On the very day a 'senior administration official' from the Bush administration had lunch with Gen Musharraf, by sheer coincidence, the Pakistanis arrested a senior administration official from the Taliban. Such antics apart, Pakistan would like nothing better to get the US off its back in Afghanistan. Here's a post that Winds readers must read on this subject.
Comments
#1 from David Billington at 10:40 pm on Mar 02, 2007
I have a question on which I would be grateful to have comments from those with expertise on Pakistan and Afghanistan. In the Fall 2005 issue of Orbis, Vanni Cappelli makes a case for dealing with Pashtunistan as a potential ally (scroll down page of link): http://www.fpri.org/orbis/4904/ He doesn't go so far as to call explicitly for giving the Pashtuns autonomy but he implies that our difficulties with Afghanistan and Pakistan would be greatly relieved if we did so. He makes the point that earlier Pashtun leaders such as Abdul Ghaffar Khan were progressive and that the Durand Line (the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan) in unnatural. My question is whether we shouldn't seek the partition of Afghanistan into a Pashtun state to the south and east and a residuary Afghan state consisting of the west, center, and north. A Pashtun state on the Afghan side of the line would encourage the Pashtun areas on the Pakistan side to seek inclusion and would force Pakistan to pay a price for harboring al-Qaida and Taliban forces. Al-Qaida and the Taliban could take refuge in Pashtunistan. But neither would have any natural base of support in the remainder of Afghanistan, and the possibility that the Pashtun tribes would want to forego American aid to their newly free state by reverting to Talibanism and harboring Bin Laden is not a foregone conclusion. But even if it is, Pakistan would really pay a price in revived Pashtun separatism, and would either become a more thorough ally of ours or would break apart and leave India supreme on the sub-continent. Why stop at Pashtunistan (Pashta, Patha)? How about sponsoring Baluch separatists in Iran and Pakistan too? The problem is that the Pashtun are an eternally warring people. No conqueror has ever subdued them, not even the Arabs who forced them to abandon their Buddhist religion and take up Islam instead. Be careful when you feed the caged tiger.
#3 from Jim Rockford at 7:48 am on Mar 03, 2007
A bad idea all around. Pakistan uses the Pashtun tribal solidarity (Pakistan's Military / ISI to subvert Afghanistan. The problem is that Pashtuns are our enemy. We should treat them as such. What we need to do is inflict such pain on the Pashtuns that they are unable to even contemplate any aggressive action against our interests. IMHO attempts to impoverish them as much as possible are what are needed, not futile and doomed attempts to make them our "friends."
#4 from David Billington at 8:01 pm on Mar 03, 2007
Jim Rockford, The Pashtuns don't have to be our enemies if we change our policy toward them. Pakistan is a state composed mainly of the (Pashtun) Northwest Frontier Province along its west, Balochistan and Sindh in the south, and Punjab in the east. To the extent that Afghan Pashtuns are in league with the Taliban and Pakistani Islamists against us, it is because we do not support Pashtun claims to autonomy on both sides of the border. Pakistan last fall gave the Pashtuns on its side of the border more autonomy, which gave the Taliban and al-Qaida more freedom to fight us. Most American observers took this as a bad sign but it is also a sign of Pakistan's vulnerability in the area. We could raise the ante by granting much more autonomy to the Pashtuns on the Afghan side of the border, withdraw our forces from the border, and let the Pashtuns organize a state or sub-state of their own. An Afghan Pashtun state could give the Taliban control of a wider swath of territory. But the Taliban would be isolated in two ways. First, if the Afghan Pashtuns continue to wage war on the Dari and Turkic peoples in what remains of Afghanistan, we would have a much easier time helping these people because they would be more motivated to defend their areas than to defend a greater Afghanistan. Whether the Afghan Pashtuns would support a Taliban offensive to regain control of all Afghanistan is also open to question. Many Pashtuns have bad memories of the Taliban and might be open to offers of US support. At any rate, the Afghan Pashtuns will have more to lose if they do not settle for a state of their own. Second, an Afghan Pashtun state will be a magnet for the Pashtuns on the Pakistani side of the border. Pakistan will have to grant more complete autonomy or independence to the NWFP and Balochistan or fight more intense guerrilla wars all along its western flank. The resulting tension will force the Taliban to take sides, and whichever side they take will isolate them from critical support. If Pakistan threatens to break up, a more radical regime could come to power in Islamabad. But more likely, a self-governing Afghan Pashtunistan would force the current Pakistani leadership to choose between territorial breakup, clamping down harder on their own Pashtuns, or reining in Islamists in the ISI and the Pakistani armed forces. We need to force this choice. Pakistan cannot continue to allow its territory to be used by al-Qaida to attack American forces and to plot terror against American and British civilians. A few high-profile arrests in Pakistan do not mitigate this problem. Unless we act more imaginatively, NATO will lose its enthusiasm for staying in Afghanistan and we will end up losing the entire country back to the Taliban and al-Qaida. David, The redrawing of national boundaries in Afghanistan must take into account Afghan nationalism. For all the putative benefits (from the US perspective) there's no reason to believe that the Pashtuns, Hazaras etc would be willing to accept a partition of their country.
#6 from Marc at 10:20 pm on Mar 07, 2007
Some of the comments above are quite Nazi-Like. "Inflict pain on pashtuns..."
#7 from Jan at 1:57 pm on May 25, 2007
We have 2 milion afghans pashtun and 3 milion pakistani pashtun, totaly 5 milion not 50 milion.
Post a comment
Here are some quick tips for adding simple Textile formatting to your comments, though you can also use proper HTML tags: |
You're Reading an Individual Post!
If you want to head to the main blog page, just follow the "Main" link in the navigation up top underneath our blog's name. Or click here:
Winds of Change.NET Home
Project Valour-IT
Winds of Change Library
Recent Entries
· Mumbai Aftermath: 2 Snippets
· "A Bad News Guy In A Bad News World" · What's Next in Iraq · Political Weenie Report: Why Cure a White Male Disease? · What If An Ad Agency Created the Stop Sign? · Stupid Government Tricks: Carpooling in Ontario · The Psychology of the Con · Thanksgiving Morning 2008 · Project Valour-IT · Winning In Afghanistan: A British View · Changing Winds · TAREK VERSUS TARIQ · Turkey · Hoder in Jail in Iran · Obama's Web 2.0 Communication Strategy
Support Winds of Change.NET!
Your support & assistance is greatly appreciated, and makes a difference!
The Winds Crew:
Town Founder: Joe Katzman joe {at} windsofchange. net Joe's Normblog Interview Left-Hand Man: Marc 'Armed Liberal' Danziger armed {at} windsofchange. net A.L.'s Normblog Interview Other Winds Marshals 'AMac', aka. Marshal Festus (AMac@...) Robin "Straight Shooter" Burk 'Cicero', aka. The Quiet Man (cicero@...) David Blue (david.blue@...) 'Lewy14', aka. Marshal Leroy (lewy14@...) 'Nortius Maximus', aka. Big Tuna (nortius.maximus@...) Other Regulars 'Callimachus' (callimachus@...) 'Demosophist' (demosophist@...) Rev./Maj. Donald Sensing 'Molon Labe' (molon.labe@...) 'Neo Neo-Con' Tarek Heggy (tarek@...) Semi-Active: Arthur Chrenkoff 'Gabriel Gonzalez' (in Paris) Tim Oren (tim@...) Trent Telenko (trent@...) Posting Affiliates Athena: Terrorism Unveiled Chester: The Adventures of Chester Dave Schuler: The Glittering Eye Grim: Grim's Lair et. al. Joel Gaines [Russia] Michael Totten MILblogging.com: The MilBlogs directory Murdoc [Military] Situational Awareness team [Military] Nathan Hamm [Central Asia] Randy Paul [Latin America] Robert Koehler [Koreas] Robi Sen [India & S. Asia] Nitin Pai [India & S. Asia] Simon [China & E. Asia] Yehudit: Kesher Talk Emeritus: Adil Farooq (adil@...) Andrew Olmsted [KIA, Iraq] Celeste Bilby (celeste@...) Dan Darling Gary Farber (gary@...) Hossein Derakhshan (hoder@...) T.L. James (tljames@...) Robin Burk (robin@...)
Winds of Change.NET Blogkids & Affiliates
· The Argus: covering Central Asia · Canis Iratus: Glen Wishard · Correct-Amundo: Tech & society · Discarded Lies: Ev & Zorkie · The Flying Kiwi: Donovan Janus · The Glittering Eye: Dave Schuler · Gumptionology: Nortius Maximus · Hot Needle of Inquiry: 'Jinnderella' · Laughing Wolf: C. Blake Powers · Out The Mazoo: 'Mazoo' · Power and Control: M. Simon · Praktike's Place: 'Praktike' · Random Probabilities: Robin Burk · Siberian Light: covering Russia · The Spirit of Man · Good News From the Front · WATCH/: covering the war on terror
Archives By Category
-FEATURES: 48 Ways to Wisdom (24)
-FEATURES: Diaries & Roundups (10) -FEATURES: Military Transformation Uplink (12) -FEATURES: New Energy Currents (20) -FEATURES: Reader Highlights (2) -FEATURES: Regional Briefings (166) -FEATURES: Sufi Wisdom (158) -FEATURES: The Bard's Breath (32) -FEATURES: Winds of Discovery (6) -FEATURES: Winds of War [WoT] (445) 4 HA: 4th-Gen Warfare (103) 4 HA: al-Qaeda (159) 4 HA: Crime, Organized (26) 4 HA: Evil Exists (111) 4 HA: Intelligence/Spycraft (101) 4 HA: Military (531) 4 HA: Nukes, Poisons, Germs (136) 4 HA: Statecraft (29) 4 HA: War on Terror articles (710) Best Of... (180) BIZ: Business & Organizations (137) BIZ: Economics (103) BIZ: Energy (75) CIVIS (236) CIVIS: Copyright Wars (25) CIVIS: Drug Wars (18) CIVIS: Edu-Kooks (76) CIVIS: Free Societies (296) CIVIS: Hall of Shame (164) CIVIS: Hatred Rising (114) CIVIS: Journalism & Media (413) CIVIS: Spirit of America.NET (32) CIVIS: War Within the West (313) COLUMNISTS: M. Simon (13) COLUMNISTS: Tarek Heggy (33) GEO: Afghanistan (80) GEO: Africa (104) GEO: Asia (117) GEO: Aussies & Kiwis (22) GEO: Canada (72) GEO: China (87) GEO: Europe (183) GEO: France (71) GEO: India-Pakistan (114) GEO: Iran (224) GEO: Iraq (968) GEO: Israel (249) GEO: Koreas (64) GEO: Latin America (63) GEO: Middle East (257) GEO: Russia (83) GEO: Saudi Arabia (64) GEO: Sudan (36) GEO: U.K. (71) GEO: U.N. (61) GEO: U.S. of A (506) HUMANITY (89) HUMANITY: Art & Culture (161) HUMANITY: Art - Music (32) HUMANITY: Art - Poetry (6) HUMANITY: Christianity (53) HUMANITY: Heroes & Achievements (232) HUMANITY: History (126) HUMANITY: Islam (184) HUMANITY: Judaism (137) HUMANITY: Love (32) HUMANITY: Philosophy (49) HUMANITY: Spirituality & Religion (74) HUMANITY: Zen & Buddhism (28) Humour (200) Misc. (44) NET: Blogosphere (397) NET: Cyber-Security (16) NET: Grid Computing (3) NET: Spam (24) NET: The Internet (39) NET: The Open Source Meme (18) Personal (199) SCI-TECH: Biotech & Medical (84) SCI-TECH: Eco-tech (82) SCI-TECH: Nanotech (27) SCI-TECH: Science (113) SCI-TECH: Space (75) SCI-TECH: Technology (146) SPORTS (45) SPORTS: Baseball (76) Trends (66) USA: America Catch-all (20) USA: Anti-Americanism (6) USA: California Politics (16) USA: Conservatives & GOP (43) USA: Dem Party Renewal (77) USA: Domestic Issues (56) USA: Elections (132) USA: Grand Strategy (15) USA: Homeland Security (106) VictoryPAC (3) Winds of Change.NET (56)
Archives by Date
December 2008
November 2008 October 2008 September 2008 August 2008 July 2008 June 2008 May 2008 April 2008 March 2008 February 2008 January 2008 December 2007 November 2007 October 2007 September 2007 August 2007 July 2007 June 2007 May 2007 April 2007 March 2007 February 2007 January 2007 December 2006 November 2006 October 2006 September 2006 August 2006 July 2006 June 2006 May 2006 April 2006 March 2006 February 2006 January 2006 December 2005 November 2005 October 2005 September 2005 August 2005 July 2005 June 2005 May 2005 April 2005 March 2005 February 2005 January 2005 December 2004 November 2004 October 2004 September 2004 August 2004 July 2004 June 2004 May 2004 April 2004 March 2004 February 2004 January 2004 December 2003 November 2003 October 2003 September 2003 August 2003 July 2003 June 2003 May 2003 April 2003 March 2003 February 2003 January 2003 November 2002 October 2002 September 2002 August 2002 July 2002 June 2002 May 2002 April 2002 Joe's Old Archives, By Title: April - June 2002 July - December 2002
Winds Blogroll
Top Prospects
SP Normblog (LHP) SP Solomonia (RHP) RF Mader Blog CF Donklephant LF Harry's Place C Critical Mass 1B Tigerhawk 2B Gideon's Blog SS Alexander the Average 3B Democracy Arsenal UT INF Pundita DH Counterterrorism Blog PEN Liberals Against Terrorism CL Gates of Vienna MASCOT Huffington's Toast MGR Robert Tagorda GM Conservative Grapevine Humour Blogs
Support VictoryPAC· Cox & Forkum (cartoons) · Day By Day (cartoons) · User Friendly (cartoons) · Iowahawk (satire) · Scrappleface (satire) Religious Blogs · Conscientia (baha'i) · Unlearned Hand (bud) · Eve Tushnet (cath) · Muslim Under Progress (isl) · Ideofact (isl) · Kesher Talk (jew) · Rabbi Lazer Brody (jew) · Rishon Rishon (jew) · Rev. Donald Sensing (prot) Other Team Memberships · AlwaysOn [JK] · Blogcritics.org [JK] · Tech Central Station [JK] Blog Services< · NZ Bear's Ecosystem · Blogstreet · Daypop Top 40 · Technorati · Movable Type.org · New York Times Permalinks · Write A Better Blog |
http://www.windsofchange.net/windsopcentre-cms/trackback.cgi/7143
Listed below are links to weblogs that reference
"Pakistan wants the US out of Afghanistan"