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The Test Of All Knowledge Is Experiment

By Armed Liberal at 00:00

I tried to close the comment argument with Chris below, and actually liked what I'd written enough that I thought I'd promote it (slightly cleaned up) to a post...

If you're thinking that AGW will be conclusively proved or disproved in blogs you've got bigger issues than I can help you with.

What blogs can - and I believe have - done is to suggest that the emperor has no clothes. There's a world of difference between pointing out that standard accounting practices haven't been followed - and therefore we ought to recheck the books - and actually re-auditing GM's annual financial statement. It's unfair and unreasonable to suggest that people who point out a) also have a responsibility to do b), or the current books stand.

I do think that people are deluding themselves by suggesting that AGW is 'science' as we've practiced it for the last few centuries. There's an epistic problem that comes from the fact that AGW is inherently a wicked problem - we can't run global climates in labs, over and over again and check what happens in the empirical world. There's no empiricism there.

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Why Won't AGW Believers Make Deals?? Or "I'd Rather Be Right..."

By Armed Liberal at 18:36

In the course of my comment back-and-forth with Chris a thought popped up that I wanted to share.

Why hasn't the AGW community lowered the claims to authority - moved the argument to behind-the-scenes work to clarify and improve the data and modeling behind their claims - and stepped forward from a policy point of view to find allies (people like me) who think we need to conserve energy for strategic, local environmental, or economic/financial reasons?

Why not take a partial win on policy?

I don't get it. Any thoughts??
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  • Tim Oren: I'd also suggest taking about .01% of the potential graft read more
  • Joe Katzman: Demo's argument re: Type I/ Type II makes perfect sense read more

February 24, 2010

Best News Of The Week

By Armed Liberal at 18:18

At a dinner over the weekend , a more-liberal friend asked what I thought we ought to do about climate.

I gave a short version of the 3% solution argument, and then added that we need to take a breath, step back, and redo the last decade of climate science in a calm, fact-based, transparent way so that we had - at minimum - a set of temperature data that we could all rely on as a baseline for modeling.

Well, this morning, guess what?
At a meeting Monday of 150 climate scientists, representatives of Britain's weather office proposed that the world's climatologists start all over again and produce a new trove of global temperature data that is open to public scrutiny and "rigorous" peer review.
...what a great idea!!

Here's the actual wording (pdf).

Faster, please.


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February 23, 2010

Where Tone Torpedoes Credibility

By Armed Liberal at 15:55

Memorandum leads me to a Newsweek review of a book that aims to challenge the credibility of climate skeptic Bjorn Lomborg.

Now, I'm a big believer in challenging people's credibility - that's how we dig away to something approaching truth.

But Newsweek science editor Sharon Begley torpedoes her own credibility and undermines the credibility of the review in her lede:
In naming roustabout, lumberjack, ironworker, and dairy farmer America's "worst jobs," CareerCast.com omitted one whose awfulness is counterbalanced only by its public-spiritedness: fact-checking Bjørn Lomborg.

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  • Armed Liberal: Luka, you're 100% right, I'm misstated Lomborg's position. Actually, I read more
  • Glen Wishard: Notice that farther down in the article she says, "He read more

February 11, 2010

Stimulus "Green Jobs Revolution" Is Happening: In China

By Joe Katzman at 00:41

Erm, remember the green power potion of the stimulus, which was supposed to generate all those new American jobs? Uh, maybe not...

"The Workshop was the first to report last October that more than 80 percent of the first $1 billion in grants to wind energy companies went to foreign firms. Since then, the administration has stopped making announcements of new grants to wind, solar and geothermal companies, but has handed out another $1 billion, bringing the total given out to $2.1 billion and the total that went to companies based overseas to more than 79 percent.... The same day the Workshop's first reported on this story a consortium of American and Chinese companies announced a deal to build a $1.5 billion wind farm in Texas, using imported Chinese turbines. Company officials said they planned to collect $450 million in stimulus grants for the project. The deal would create dozens of jobs in the U.S. and thousands in China."

Even Chuck Schumer [D-NY] is annoyed. Repeat after me, kiddies:

"I pledge allegiance to America's debt, and to the Chinese government that lends us money. And to the interest we will pay, compoundable, with higher taxes, fewer services, and lower pay, until the day we die."

Aren't you glad it was all worth it, though? Yeah, me too.


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January 28, 2010

Car Trouble

By Armed Liberal at 17:13

A friend has stated a smart 'frugality blog,' and I went there with a question on what to do about our car (about which more later)...check out 'New Car or Used Car: Eco-Friendly Or Not?'
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December 12, 2009

AGW Math Primer

By Armed Liberal at 07:33

I know what Iowahawk does for a living and it involves crunching massive amounts of high-value data in near-real time.

He's taken off the welding mask, put down the beer bong and vintage porn, and picked up a laptop so he can walk the rest of us through the basic mathematical processes used by Mann, Jones, et al to model climate.

I'd suggest that everyone read it...
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  • Foobarista: The interesting thing about the models and such is how read more
  • J Aguilar: ¡Olé! both for Movable Type and Iowahawk. He just read read more

December 11, 2009

An Instrumental Truth

By Armed Liberal at 01:18

The Juicebox Mafia writes about Climategate:
Something those of us who want to prevent catastrophic climate change need to remember is that we're right. Not just factually right, but morally. But while it's true that effective communications tactics employed by the other side have been helpful to their cause, ultimately the main thing that's helped them has been the willingness of people who know better to act in a morally indefensible manner.

I'm fairly certain, for example, that Fred Hiatt wouldn't strangle a baby polar bear just for cheap thrills. But he would run an ignorant Sarah Palin op-ed on climate, and repeatedly allow George Will to mislead people about climate science. What's more, if Hiatt strolled around Washington soaked in the blood of polar bears he'd been strangling, people would treat him like a pariah. But instead his friends and colleagues and professional peers have evidently decided that he's just a nice guy who happens to run a crappy-but-influential op-ed page.

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December 10, 2009

Here's What "Hide The Decline" Is About

By Armed Liberal at 17:51

From Jones/Briffa et al "High-resolution palaeoclimatology of the last millennium: a review of current status and future prospects" (pdf) - a very interesting paper.
Recent divergence between tree-ring growth and temperature

The final aspect of tree-ring studies that needs to be highlighted is what has become known as the 'divergence' issue. This refers to the apparent failure of some (established as temperature-responsive) tree-ring data to follow the trend in instrumental temperatures observed over the latter part of the twentieth century. Chronology time series that vary largely in parallel with changing temperature in earlier periods progressively fail to show the increasing trends that would represent a continuing positive response to the strong warming observed during recent decades. Originally this was noted primarily in certain northern high-latitude areas for ring-width data in Alaska (Jacoby and D'Arrigo, 1995) and in ring-width and particularly ring-density data, in more extensive regions of northern Europe and Russia (Briffa et al., 1998). In the earlier work, it was suggested that the cause of the North American observations was a shift from a direct dominant temperature control on tree growth to one where lack of available moisture becomes increasingly influential, possibly to an extent where the sign of the temperature influence becomes negative rather than positive (Jacoby and D'Arrigo, 1995; D'Arrigo et al., 2004).

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December 8, 2009

Mo' AGW

By Armed Liberal at 23:02

In honor of the amazingly stupid (politically, economically, and environmentally) EPA decision, here's some interesting comments about AGW.

At the 'climate denialist' blog WattsUpWithThat, blogger Willis Eschenbach just posted an interesting analysis of some Australian raw climate data.

I'll comment on that in a sec, but wanted to highlight this:
There are three main global temperature datasets. One is at the CRU, Climate Research Unit of the University of East Anglia, where we've been trying to get access to the raw numbers. One is at NOAA/GHCN, the Global Historical Climate Network. The final one is at NASA/GISS, the Goddard Institute for Space Studies. The three groups take raw data, and they "homogenize" it to remove things like when a station was moved to a warmer location and there's a 2C jump in the temperature. The three global temperature records are usually called CRU, GISS, and GHCN. Both GISS and CRU, however, get almost all of their raw data from GHCN. All three produce very similar global historical temperature records from the raw data.
OK, this is - if true - the answer to one of the questions I hoped to get to in my 'pet project.' Without making any judgment on the quality of the datasets, the interesting issue is that if AGW scientists rely on one sole 'master dataset' rather than heterogeneous sets of data - and if the social pressure is to conform to that one master dataset - the risk of social drift and groupthink get raised substantially.

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December 7, 2009

Anthropogenic Global Warming

By Armed Liberal at 18:00

So - while I try and pry some time loose to read papers and map influence and catalog sources - it seems like a good idea to put a stake in the ground and say what I believe today about global warming and the correct policy responses to it.

Is there AGW? Maybe. Even before Climategate, I was uncomfortable with the way the science was being handled and the way that obvious questions were only answered behind closed doors. But - I also think where there's enough manure there well could be a pony, and we'd be foolish to completely ignore the risk given even moderate amounts of evidence.

I own fire extinguishers and guns and first aid gear and insurance policies because something might happen (and remember that in my case, it did). I spend money and time and effort to hedge the risk of the highly improbable. So do most of the climate skeptics out there.

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December 4, 2009

My Pet Climate Project

By Armed Liberal at 04:32

So I've been reading the IPCC reports over the last few days.

In spite of the appearance that my bet with Chris having been settled by the admission that the raw climate data is pinned to its perch, I'm genuinely interested what the research has to say.

I'd like to crowdsource a small research project with the intent of putting together two things - an influence diagram and a checklist of datasets and models cited so that we can in turn explore the availability and state of them.

To do that, I needed a set of papers; I wanted to pick a sample, so I chose a chapter from the latest IPCC report - IPCC Historical Overview - and pulled a set of papers that seemed relevant from it - 20 papers in total.

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