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March 20, 2008

The Israel of the Balkans

by Michael Totten at March 20, 2008 7:12 PM

“All we want is to reduce the Albanian population to a manageable level.” – Zoran Andjelkovic, former Serbian governor of Kosovo

Genocide is the “intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group.” – United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide

The State of Israel is divided on the Kosovo question: should the world’s newest country be recognized? Some, like former Minister for Strategic Affairs Avigdor Lieberman, worry that Kosovo’s unilateral declaration of independence from Serbia might encourage Palestinians to make the same move. The small Balkan state, however, may have more in common with Israel than with the West Bank and Gaza.

Israelis, as Amir Mizroch notes in the Jerusalem Post, have excellent relations with the Kosovars. “Israel has an interest in helping to establish a moderate, secular Muslim state friendly to Jerusalem and Washington in the heart of southeast Europe,” he writes. Indeed, Kosovo is neither an enemy state nor a jihad state. Its brand of Islam is heavily Sufi, which is at the opposite end of the spectrum from the Wahhabism and Salafism that inspire Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups.

Kosovo doesn’t belong to the Iranian-Syrian-Hezbollah-Hamas axis. On the contrary, Kosovo has thrown in its lot with the West, and especially with the United States. Serbia’s breakaway province is perhaps the most pro-American country in all of Europe. Bill Clinton is lionized there as a liberator – a main boulevard through the capital Prishtina is named after him – just as George H. W. Bush and his son George W. Bush are hailed as saviors in Iraqi Kurdistan. It should be no surprise then that Mizroch quotes an Israeli official who says Israel most likely will recognize Kosovo if its “influential friends” in the U.S., the U.K., Germany, and France, decide to do so.

Concern that Kosovo’s independence might trigger a similar declaration from the West Bank to Spain’s Basque country to Chechnya and beyond is understandable but perhaps overwrought. Bosnia declared independence without unleashing a domino effect beyond Yugoslavia. So did Croatia, Slovenia, Macedonia, and Montenegro. Montenegro declared independence from Serbia less than two years ago. It’s doubtful the Palestinians even noticed. Hardly anyone else did. In any case, it had no effect on the Arab-Israeli conflict.

The irrelevance of Kosovo to the Arab-Israeli conflict is underscored by the fact that not a single Arab country has recognized Kosovo. The only Muslim countries which so far have bothered are Turkey, Malaysia, Senegal, Albania, and Afghanistan. The governments of all these countries are, to one extent or another, either moderate, in the pro-Western camp, or both. All aside from Albania have sizeable ethnic minorities of their own. Turkey especially frets about its own separatists – the Kurds in the east – but still went ahead and recognized Kosovo almost instantly.

Many in Kosovo are well aware that they have more in common with Israel than with the West Bank and Gaza. “Kosovars used to identify with the Palestinians because we Albanians are Muslims and Christians and we saw Serbia and Israel both as usurpers of land,” a prominent Kosovar recently told journalist Stephen Schwartz. “Then we looked at a map and woke up. Israelis have a population of six million, their backs to the sea, and 300 million Arab enemies. Albanians have a total population of eight million, our backs to the sea, and 200 million Slav enemies. So why should we identify with the Arabs?”

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#1 from Mark Buehner at 7:41 pm on Mar 20, 2008

"Some, like former Minister for Strategic Affairs Avigdor Lieberman, worry that Kosovo’s unilateral declaration of independence from Serbia might encourage Palestinians to make the same move. "

Thats not a bug, thats a feature. Palestinian independence is the best thing that could happen to Israel... although Israel would do well to be the first recognizer.

As much as I support Israel for the most part, I never doubt that there are strong forces at work quietly opposing the disentanglement of Palestine from Israel. Its like clinging to a concrete life preserver.

#2 from J Aguilar at 8:12 pm on Mar 20, 2008

Same for the Basque region of Spain and Catalonia, which voted Socialist the last National Elections against most of the rest of the country.

#3 from Fletcher Christian at 8:10 am on Mar 21, 2008

Mark:

Actually, Palestinian independence is not the best thing that could happen to Israel. What is the best thing is for "Palestine" to be turned into a parking lot.

#4 from Armed Liberal at 2:07 pm on Mar 21, 2008

Uh, Fletcher...crap. The leadership of the Palestinian movement are scum; brutal kleptocrats who abuse their people, steal the aid they are given, and foment hate for Israel to that their people's righteous anger at their living conditions will be directed elsewhere.

But the bulk of the people in Palestine are victims.

And solutions that involve killing or 'exporting' all of them are wrong.

A.L.

#5 from Mark Buehner at 2:28 pm on Mar 21, 2008

"Actually, Palestinian independence is not the best thing that could happen to Israel. What is the best thing is for "Palestine" to be turned into a parking lot."

That would ensure perpetual war with Israels neighbors, and quite possibly a nuclear device being detonated in Israel sooner or later. The way I see it Israel is in a race to force some kind of reasonable equitable settlement before some loon gets their hands on a nuke and sets off a chain reaction that makes a third of the middle east glow in the dark.

Palestinians arent being helpful so Israel needs to cut the crap and just enforce the settlement. The simplest solution being to pull back to the green line, finish their big fence, frog march the settlers back or tell them good luck, and cut all ties with the territories including sealing the borders for the time being. Then declare Palestine an independent state, a neighbor, and the first rocket that flies over the soverieng border should be met with an artillery barrage.

#6 from Michael J. Totten at 10:12 pm on Mar 21, 2008

Fletcher Christian: Actually, Palestinian independence is not the best thing that could happen to Israel. What is the best thing is for "Palestine" to be turned into a parking lot.

Ethnic cleansing and genocide is never the answer. Why on earth do I have to tell you such a thing?

#7 from Andrew J. Lazarus at 10:26 pm on Mar 21, 2008
The simplest solution being to pull back to the green line, finish their big fence, frog march the settlers back or tell them good luck, and cut all ties with the territories including sealing the borders for the time being.
Yeah, that's why Ehud Olmert authorized more settlement construction last week. I like the concrete lifesaver image. Looks like Olmert's holding on tight.
#8 from Fletcher Christian at 1:42 am on Mar 22, 2008

To all who responded to me:

Turning "Palestine" into a parking lot does not have to mean erasing its population. However, Israel would be a great deal better off with empty desert on its borders than territory completely full of people who want to kill Israelis.

Waht should they do? Cut off any and all supplies to Palestine that come through Israel, and let their Islamic brothers supply them by sea. And under no circumstances let any Palestinian into Israel for any reason. And if they fire rockets? Reply with 100 times the amount of HE as an artillery barrage.

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