The New York Times has published a number of photographs from the disaster areas that sweep the coasts of India, Sri Lanka and Thailand. We see people who are desperate for help, poking at solid mud, searching for the lost. We see beautiful women in colorful sarongs wailing at open mass graves. My heart feels their yearning for aid and comfort.
One horrific story told of how moments before the tsunami struck, the water drew back and rushed out to sea, leaving live fish slapping on the wet sand. Children ran down to fetch the unexpected bounty -- their last moments were spent grabbing at dancing, silvery fish with glee. Few survived.
In one photo from Sri Lanka, there are two men carrying away a twisted, half-naked body; people are standing around in a daze. One such bystander to this pathetic scene is a young, dark-haired Sri Lankan wearing a bin Laden t-shirt. I wonder if the editors of the New York Times inserted this image deliberately, or if it was overlooked, or deemed irrelevant to the commiserable scene.
I have nothing but sympathy for these poor blighted people. The anguish in their faces require no additional words of sorrow. Seeing the bin Laden bystander has me wondering if these people would have the same sympathy for my countrymen, under reversed fate. I wonder if a handful of American aid dollars might get him to discard his tattered bin Laden shirt -- or merely buy a new one. I wonder if he thinks the Arab League should be sending him aid instead of infidel Americans. It’s disheartening that this man should tinge my sympathy with cynicism. But there it is.
Living consists of enduring tsunamis -- unexpected waves rising out of the sea, changing everything. If asked only a minute before the first wave hit, “what threatens you the most,” the bin Laden bystander might have postulated that George Bush was his greatest threat, or American capitalism. Or perhaps he would have lamented diminishing fish supplies, or pointed at a deforested tropical coastland. Maybe he would have expressed fear for Tamil rebels, or government army men. Then, only one minute later, the sea’s horizon would tilt upwards, sweeping away the expected.
Change tends to come in waves -- deep, silent swells that knock every atom of presumption aside, overturning accepted prejudices, ideas, fears and dreams. 9/11 was one such wave. It was a great surge that overcame our meticulously constructed reality, seemingly impervious to the dark motives of bearded men living in 12th century Afghanistan. That wave rose out of the sea, on a beautiful, sunny day. And a new world was born in its wake.
In this last nod to 2004, we should remember waves. We can look back on human history and see that fundamental change rises from nowhere, and is revolutionary. Waves like the 1918 Influenza Pandemic, or the 1929 Crash; waves such as Pearl Harbor and Trinity, or a crumbling Berlin Wall, or the World Wide Web. In retrospect there were impending signs, and surely their coming could have been foretold if anyone was attuned and heard. We should recognize that our greatest asset as living beings is our capacity to absorb waves. In so doing, we transform ourselves, and move ahead. The waves of this world make us a better people. We will endure only if we create opportunity from the abrupt realities that rise from the sea.
Not to accuse anyone of a hidden agenda but in the bottom right hand corner of the display on the NY Times they do credit the photographer - Jimin Lai / Agence France-Presse - Getty Images. So either the NY Times has an Editor with a mission or one easily duped.
don't forget Burma!
http://www.danrosan.org/sketches/archives/000707.html
I think if anything - the gravity of this natural disaster - mocks the Bin Laden t-shirt. It is a relatively secure world that has the time to create the Bin Laden's and all the BS. If we were fighting more tsunami's - maybe we wouldn't have the idle time to turn on each other so much - not that I would want this! Hate of the Bin Laden magnitude actually comes from a certain opulence and stability. What is so unforgivable about human murder and mayhem - and questionable war- is that there is enough out there - in nature - accidents and diseases to keep any loving parent up at night. We don't need to be adding to the percentages. But add we do and do and do....
Muslims make up under 10% of the Sri Lankan population, I am guessing that the t-shirt might belong to a member of that minority group. I don't see why the Hindus and Buddhists of Sri Lanka would have any positive feelings towards the penultimate Islamist Jihadist.
I don't think some young kid wearing a Bin Laden T shirt is actually an issue, frankly. Not right now, at any rate. Get a grip.
People do wear them in some parts of the world. While it's not to be condoned, kids wearing these shirts doesn't make them terrorists, or even nasty people.
For you to compare:
Muslims have the dogma of predestination (and free will is discarded, too), so maybe the Sri Lankan Govt thought the tsunami came from Allah as a punishment due to their too friendly attitude towards the Jews.
Their response was that they apparently prefer to see their children die before receiving direct help from Israeli medical militarymen:
"Sri Lanka said refusing IDF [Israel Defense Forces] aid team"
http://news.haaretz.co.il/hasen/spages/520098.html
"A 150-member Israeli aid delegation canceled its mission to Sri Lanka on Tuesday, after the country - one of the hardest hit in the Asian tsunami disaster - apparently refused to accept the Israeli team, Israel Defense Forces officials said.
[...]
"In any case, Israel is sending supplies at Sri Lanka's request, including 10,000 blankets contributed by the IDF, tents, nylon sheeting and water containers. The IDF Home Front Command is organizing aid preparations.
"The Israeli humanitarian organization Latet ("To Give") is sending a separate aid package Tuesday. It is filling a jumbo jet with 18 tons of supplies worth $50,000, at Sri Lanka's request. The group is considering sending additional aid shortly."
Change tends to come in waves -- deep, silent swells that knock every atom of presumption aside, overturning accepted prejudices, ideas, fears and dreams.
Interesting to note that WOC has a bonifide relativist on board.
BTW, Bin Laden tees are kitsch in S Asia, not exactly a deep political statement, but please, go on-- extrapolate away.
excellent post. thank you.
This was an exceptionally well written post, Cicero, and a heck of way to observe the rolling out of the old year. I commend you for it. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us.
Why am I surprized, that some American jerk (i.e. Cicero) cannot suspend his righteous sense of Amercian Superiority, even in this, in This disaster's, wake.
Not only that -- can moralize in a "positive light" on the disaster.
and as long as we are tossing around quotes:
"There is only one good, that is, knowledge; and only one evil, that is, ignorance" - Socrates
With no malice towards any other nation, may I ask what is wrong with the notion that America is a Superior nation.
By any measurment I can think of, it has excelled more than any other country. I don't mean to say that as human beings, Americans are better than anyone else, but by any measurement possibile (or at least by a massive majority) the nation of America has proven itself superior.
-Human Rights
-superior system of Govt
-superior justice system
-amount of individual liberty
-Most powerful economy in the world
-economic and social opportunity
-lowest poverty rate (even our people in poverty would be considered well of in many other nations)
-education
-Job creation and wealth creation
-Food Production
-aid and food to the world
-military might used for good and to promote freedom and independance around the globe from WWI to present day Iraq. No nation in history has ever had so much power yet used it for so much good.
-medical advances
-healthcare and pharmasutical production
-advances in science and technology
-space exploration
-standard of living
-life expectancy
-health
-low mortality rate for births
-and the list goes on and on
The United States of America is second only to God as far as being the largest, most powerful force for good that has ever existed in the world. Much of the world now owes its freedom and prosperity and many nations owe the very food they eat to the U.S. The U.S. is not perfect and has made mistakes, but who can argue the MASSIVE contribution for good. Far more than any other single nation and thus I have no problem with the "superior" adjective.
Patriot, you're wrong.
"By any measurment I can think of,"
That's your first problem. It's bad to think when you've got the brain the size of a peanut.
"-Human Rights
-superior system of Govt
-superior justice system
-amount of individual liberty"
Abu Gharab. The Japanese concentration/internment camps for WW2. Wow, such great human rights. and our system of government is the same retarded government that awarded 50,000 to some bitch that sued after tripping over her kid. Amount of individual liberty? Then why are all the Muslims who haven't done anything being persecuted. As in, having their bank account closed for no reason, being rounded up, having their houses vandalized, etc. And according to a nationwide poll conducted by Cornell University, nearly half of all Americans surveyed—44 percent—said they think the US government should restrict the civil liberties of Muslim Americans.
Still feeling superior?
"-Most powerful economy in the world
-economic and social opportunity"
Sorry, but most powerful goes to China. Why do you think everybody wants to invest there? Because of the Fortune Cookies? Economic and Social opportunity? Yeah, tell that to inner city folk.
"-education"
HA HA HA Don't make me laugh.
"-Job creation and wealth creation"
agreed. Thanks USA, for having a 1.47 billion trade defecit with China. You made them rich.
And for exporting all the jobs to Mexico.
"-Food Production"
McDonalds doesn't count.
"-aid and food to the world"
according to UN, US is worst among the top 1% of countries with aid compared to Gross National Product. Norway is #1 with .96. USA is last with .14
"military might used for good and to promote freedom and independance around the globe from WWI to present day Iraq. No nation in history has ever had so much power yet used it for so much good."
I'm sure Nicaragua is thanking the US. Oh wait, it isn't. Neither is Iran after the US messed their country up by propping up an oppressive bastard as long as he was giving you Oil. All in the name of democracy.
"-space exploration"
NO ONE gives 2 flying ****s.
"-standard of living"
Actually, accoridng to the latest UN poll, Norway won.
"-life expectancy
-health"
Health? Look at all the obesity in USA. Thank Fast food. Longest life span goes to Japanese Island of Okinawa, which weighs in at a Whopping 96 year life expectancy.
"-and the list goes on and on"
Yeah, out of your ass.
"The United States of America is second only to God as far as being the largest, most powerful force for good that has ever existed in the world."
Wow, fat lot of good that did for the Native Americans.
"Much of the world now owes its freedom and prosperity and many nations owe the very food they eat to the U.S."
You wish. Big Macs don't count towards feeding people.
"Far more than any other single nation and thus I have no problem with the "superior" adjective."
And that's because you are ignorant.
And to Cicero:
How do you know he's a terrorist sympathiser?
It could be that they've just had their enitre life turned inside-out and they really don't give a flying **** what they put on so long as they have something on.
And if you ask me, looks more like Jafar from Aladdin than Bin Laden.
"Abu Gharab. The Japanese concentration/internment camps for WW2. Wow, such great human rights. and our system of government is the same retarded government that awarded 50,000 to some bitch that sued after tripping over her kid. Amount of individual liberty? Then why are all the Muslims who haven't done anything being persecuted. As in, having their bank account closed for no reason, being rounded up, having their houses vandalized, etc. And according to a nationwide poll conducted by Cornell University, nearly half of all Americans surveyed—44 percent—said they think the US government should restrict the civil liberties of Muslim Americans.
Still feeling superior?"
Why yes as an American I do feel superior. Abu Gharab - the prisoners got a little taste of their own medicine. As for the Japanese in WW2 - we were at war - enough said.
"Sorry, but most powerful goes to China. Why do you think everybody wants to invest there? Because of the Fortune Cookies? Economic and Social opportunity? Yeah, tell that to inner city folk."
China is a new market that is why everyone wants to invest there. Face it without the US - the world's economy would collapse.
"HA HA HA Don't make me laugh."
Funny how the best colleges in the world are located in the US.
"McDonalds doesn't count."
No one was referring to McDonalds. When it comes to food exports such as beef, grain, corn etc - the US is indeed superior.
"according to UN, US is worst among the top 1% of countries with aid compared to Gross National Product. Norway is #1 with .96. USA is last with .14"
According the UN... I should have stopped reading right there. You fail to realize that out .14 is still more of a contribution than all other countries combined. What is the GNP of Norway anyway? Their contribution pales in comparison. Why give money to corrupt organization like the UN anyway?
"I'm sure Nicaragua is thanking the US. Oh wait, it isn't. Neither is Iran after the US messed their country up by propping up an oppressive bastard as long as he was giving you Oil. All in the name of democracy."
Do you wear a black turtle neck, sip latte's and read bad poetry? Really... Nicaragua? You sound just like the losers that show up at Fort Benning every year to protest the School of Americas. As for Iran, the world would be better off without them and their nuclear ambitions.
"Health? Look at all the obesity in USA. Thank Fast food. Longest life span goes to Japanese Island of Okinawa, which weighs in at a Whopping 96 year life expectancy."
I agree obesity is a problem in the US, but as a whole our life expectancy here has risen to 77. Not bad for a county of almost 300 million. If I drank herbal tea and ate rice on a quiet Pacific island my whole life I am sure I would life to 96 as well.
"Wow, fat lot of good that did for the Native Americans."
I was right you do wear black turtle necks.
"You wish. Big Macs don't count towards feeding people."
Watched Supersize Me one too many times? You really have a hang up about McDonalds don't you? I am afraid you couldn't be more wrong. Your Socialist Marxist crap is really tiresome.
Mr. O,
AmericaFirst answered you pretty effectively. I only have one thing to add. We interned Japanese during WW II; we didn't send them to Zyclon B showers and incinerate the bodies. Was internment wrong? That's certainly arguable, but you have to put it in perspective. As for Abu Ghraib, I personally have zero problem with it. But even the most "sensitive" liberal would have to admit that we ran AG as a summer camp compared to Saddam's management. As far as I know no one raped anyone's wife in front of him or made him watch his children tortured or had his body slowly chopped to pieces or had electrodes attached to his genitals or, well you get the point. As for our treatment of Muslim Americans, it's a helluva lot better than you'd expect given 911. Let's face it, the people most likely to attack us are young muslim men. In my view, that's sufficient reason to monitor them more closely than the general population. Does that mean a few innocent people will get caught up in that monitoring and suffer needlessly? Sure. But a) that's a tiny price to pay for preventing terrorist attacks and b) it can be minimized and it can be compensated when it happens. In one of the supreme ironies of this past election, there was a moonbat in my town who every day stood on a street corner brandishing a sign that said "Bush is a Pig" on one side and "America is not free" on the other. The very fact that he was on that corner day after day, while it says nothing about Bush's pigness, certainly gives the lie to the other side of the sign. How long do you think an Iraqi with a "Saddam is a Pig" sign would have lasted or a Cuban with a "Fidel is a Pig" sign, or a Chinese with a "China is not free" sign? I'm afraid AmericaFirst has the better of you on human rights argument.
Well put, i dont see why the world can so hate us and be jealous of us but then when its convienant they can come hat in hand and expect us to fork out the dollars to fix the worlds wrongs. I say let the bastards over there starve to death. Its over populated there and like in nature the herd needed to be cut down alittle bit and nature usually has a way of doing that when needed. Let Osama send his millions to keep them alive, lets us my tax dollars to fix america.
I do have one more thing to add. After re-reading my previous post, it occurred to me that Mr. O or one who agrees with him(?) might respond thus: "Yes we didn't exterminate the Japanese, but is that the standard by which we want to judge our human rights record? True we're not as bad as Saddam, but not as bad as Saddam could still be pretty damned horrible." If the argument were "Is the American human rights record perfect?" I would concede the above are close to tu quoque arguments. But the issue is "Is the American human rights record superior to many if not most of the alternatives." It seems to me the only arguments that count on that issue are comparison and contrast. So yes, while internment of Japanese during WW II was not good, as a human rights violation, it was clearly not in the same league as the Bataan death march or the rape of Nanking much less the holocaust. And while Abu Ghraib was arguably excessive, our treatment of prisoners there was clearly superior to Saddam's. And while incoveniencing innocent people is not normally a desirable state of affairs, it is clearly superior to exterminating or exiling all American Muslims (not to mention superior to passively waiting for the next "boom").
Mr. O
Wow - pretty brave to call me ignorant after that shallow, empty emotion, name calling, low on fact response of yours......
"Why yes as an American I do feel superior. Abu Gharab - the prisoners got a little taste of their own medicine. As for the Japanese in WW2 - we were at war - enough said."
And of course, them torturing Americans is "THE EVIL!!!!" but when we do it, "it's what they deserved". Hypocrite. And as for the Japanese comment, I'm not surprised you'd say that. Low lifes such as you would say that.
"Face it without the US - the world's economy would collapse."
Or it life would go on as usual.
"Funny how the best colleges in the world are located in the US."
Funny, I don't remember Oxford and Cambridge being in US. Oh wait, they aren't.
"When it comes to food exports such as beef, grain, corn etc - the US is indeed superior."
Yeah, at feeding Cattle.
"According the UN... I should have stopped reading right there. You fail to realize that out .14 is still more of a contribution than all other countries combined. What is the GNP of Norway anyway? Their contribution pales in comparison. Why give money to corrupt organization like the UN anyway?"
SO, it's ok to waste billions on stupid Missile defense crap, and give just the minimum to those who actually need it. I never asked for your UN comment anyways. Stop dancing around the point.
"Do you wear a black turtle neck, sip latte's and read bad poetry? Really... Nicaragua? You sound just like the losers that show up at Fort Benning every year to protest the School of Americas. As for Iran, the world would be better off without them and their nuclear ambitions."
Translation:I have no argument, so i'll make personal insults and dodge the question.
"I drank herbal tea and ate rice on a quiet Pacific island my whole life I am sure I would life to 96 as well."
Irrelevant.
"I was right you do wear black turtle necks."
Quit dodging questions.
"Watched Supersize Me one too many times? You really have a hang up about McDonalds don't you? I am afraid you couldn't be more wrong. Your Socialist Marxist crap is really tiresome. "
Translation:I can't make a counter, so i'll stick to personal insults and ignore the point.
"I only have one thing to add. We interned Japanese during WW II; we didn't send them to Zyclon B showers and incinerate the bodies."
I'm sure slowly starving them in the middle of the desert was MUCH more humane.
"Was internment wrong? That's certainly arguable, but you have to put it in perspective."
Do you really have to ask such a pointless question? Of course it was wrong.
"As for Abu Ghraib, I personally have zero problem with it. But even the most "sensitive" liberal would have to admit that we ran AG as a summer camp compared to Saddam's management."
Your point is? America is supposed to be better. What good is all that talk about goodwill when you run a torture camp?
"As far as I know no one raped anyone's wife in front of him or made him watch his children tortured or had his body slowly chopped to pieces"
Besides the NAtives. But they don't count.
"or had electrodes attached to his genitals or, well you get the point."
Really? I could have sworn that's why the guy was standing on the box in one of the scandal pictures. So he wouldn't get zapped.
"As for our treatment of Muslim Americans, it's a helluva lot better than you'd expect given 911. Let's face it, the people most likely to attack us are young muslim men. In my view, that's sufficient reason to monitor them more closely than the general population."
Can I round up all white people becasue of Oklahoma City?
"Does that mean a few innocent people will get caught up in that monitoring and suffer needlessly? Sure. But a) that's a tiny price to pay for preventing terrorist attacks and b) it can be minimized and it can be compensated when it happens."
As long as I get to lock all white people in the desert, fine with me.
"In one of the supreme ironies of this past election, there was a moonbat in my town who every day stood on a street corner brandishing a sign that said "Bush is a Pig" on one side and "America is not free" on the other. The very fact that he was on that corner day after day, while it says nothing about Bush's pigness, certainly gives the lie to the other side of the sign."
Wow. Nobody cares.
"How long do you think an Iraqi with a "Saddam is a Pig" sign would have lasted or a Cuban with a "Fidel is a Pig" sign, or a Chinese with a "China is not free" sign?
One, They wouldn't. So your point is? and secondly, China would just take the sign and toss it away.
"I'm afraid AmericaFirst has the better of you on human rights argument."
And I'm afraid you're wrong.
"Wow - pretty brave to call me ignorant after that shallow, empty emotion, name calling, low on fact response of yours......"
At least I didn't pull facts outta my ass like you.
Oh, and you're still ignorant.
"Well put, i dont see why the world can so hate us and be jealous of us but then when its convienant they can come hat in hand and expect us to fork out the dollars to fix the worlds wrongs. "
Ignorance, ignorance, ignorance.
I say let the bastards over there starve to death. Its over populated there and like in nature the herd needed to be cut down alittle bit and nature usually has a way of doing that when needed.
Can I kill you then? You're a waste of space. and You're overpopulating the earth.
"Let Osama send his millions to keep them alive, lets us my tax dollars to fix america."
Or could it be, that the guy is wearing the shirt just because it's a shirt. Moron.
God, some of you are ****ing asshats. When 15,000 people die you idiotically say that "the population needs to go down teh anyways!". Were you saying that at 9/11? You ****ing loser. These third world countries are just gonna have a ****ing weaker economy now. When this happens to your country, I might say the same thing. These things should happen to the richer countries, but they could recover from it.
Speaking of our judicial system...
Convictions via the Patriot Act to Date:
Terrorism Related Convictions 0
Non-Terrorism Related Convictions 5
A man was just arrested and convicted under the patriot act for shining a laser pointer at a jet. He's a typical, everyday American, that wanted to impress a 5 year old child with a laser pointer and he pointed it into the sky at random.
He was sentenced to 25 years in prison, solely for violating the patriot act.
Yeah hes just wearing that shirt cause hes to poor to afford anything else. Your a moron if u beleive that. Indonesia is a hot bed for Al Queada. Weren't these the same putzes dancing in the streets after 9-11?
But you bleeding hearts send your money, hopefully you'll be in the next bldg osama and his ilk take down.
As far as the rest of the world goes, screw em, they need us more then we need them.
I agree with Dave. As the original post states where is the Arab League and their millions of dollars? Considering a lot of people from the countries devastated by the tsunami work in and for Arab countries. These people were dancing in the streets after 9/11.
Now we have Muslim clerics who are stating it was Allah's will that these people died because they weren't following the Koran strictly enough. We have moonbats such as yourself Mr. O who claim it was a secret US/Israeli underground nuclear test in the Indian ocean or all the bombs dropped on Iraq that caused this... LOL.
Lastly, if the guy with the laser was stupid enough to do that after the FBI had issued warnings about terrorists doing the exact same thing - he deserves what he gets as well.
Mr. O - you are indeed a moonbat. Are you a regular poster at democraticunderground? You sound just like them. Lock all white people in a desert? Sounds a bit racist to me... but then again why should this surprise me since liberals are the biggest hypocrites.
"As the original post states where is the Arab League and their millions of dollars?"
Actually, the Arab League is almost broke. They're constantly trying to round up dues from member countries, who aren't paying up.
Hey, folks - this thread is sinking pretty far below the level of argument that we expect here.
Mr. O - you want to post some cites to back up your claims, and let the crowd dig into them a bit?
Everyone else - let's lower the invective here a bit, please?
A.L.
"I agree with Dave."
Not surprised. You idiots are the same.
"These people were dancing in the streets after 9/11."
Hmm...so all of a sudden, a few people=everyone?
Then by that logic, you are a mass murdering KKK Nazi.
"Lastly, if the guy with the laser was stupid enough to do that after the FBI had issued warnings about terrorists doing the exact same thing - he deserves what he gets as well."
Not surprised some overly patriotic lunatic would say that.
"We have moonbats such as yourself Mr. O who claim it was a secret US/Israeli underground nuclear test in the Indian ocean or all the bombs dropped on Iraq that caused this... LOL."
So... when did I say that? Oh wait, I didn't.
"you are indeed a moonbat. Are you a regular poster at democraticunderground?"
So, so we have a conservative. Not surprised him and his ilk would would agree with morons like dave. Never been to DU, but I heard about it. The statement in question (as recounted in a NYT article). Was from one person. Not endorsed in any way by everyone from DU, and it's members responded with a correcting of that users statement about how plate tectonics work.
Thanks to the NYT's blowing some random statement out of proportion and having it reported as some type of "news", DU is getting unfairly attacked. Dumbass.
"Lock all white people in a desert? Sounds a bit racist to me... but then again why should this surprise me since liberals are the biggest hypocrites."
Or could it be, I was making a point to Fred when he said it's ok to target Muslims, and and i quote "Does that mean a few innocent people will get caught up in that monitoring and suffer needlessly? Sure. But a) that's a tiny price to pay for preventing terrorist attacks and b) it can be minimized and it can be compensated when it happens."
The point is, can I do the same to all whtie people because of Timothy McVeigh? Oh wait, I can't. because it's ok to mistreat everyone but white people. Dumbass.
"I agree with Dave."
Not surprised. You idiots are the same.
"These people were dancing in the streets after 9/11."
Hmm...so all of a sudden, a few people=everyone?
Then by that logic, you are a mass murdering KKK Nazi.
"Lastly, if the guy with the laser was stupid enough to do that after the FBI had issued warnings about terrorists doing the exact same thing - he deserves what he gets as well."
Not surprised some overly patriotic lunatic would say that.
"We have moonbats such as yourself Mr. O who claim it was a secret US/Israeli underground nuclear test in the Indian ocean or all the bombs dropped on Iraq that caused this... LOL."
So... when did I say that? Oh wait, I didn't.
"you are indeed a moonbat. Are you a regular poster at democraticunderground?"
So, so we have a conservative. Not surprised him and his ilk would would agree with morons like dave. Never been to DU, but I heard about it. The statement in question (as recounted in a NYT article). Was from one person. Not endorsed in any way by everyone from DU, and it's members responded with a correcting of that users statement about how plate tectonics work.
Thanks to the NYT's blowing some random statement out of proportion and having it reported as some type of "news", DU is getting unfairly attacked. Dumbass.
"Lock all white people in a desert? Sounds a bit racist to me... but then again why should this surprise me since liberals are the biggest hypocrites."
Or could it be, I was making a point to Fred when he said it's ok to target Muslims, and and i quote "Does that mean a few innocent people will get caught up in that monitoring and suffer needlessly? Sure. But a) that's a tiny price to pay for preventing terrorist attacks and b) it can be minimized and it can be compensated when it happens."
The point is, can I do the same to all whtie people because of Timothy McVeigh? Oh wait, I can't. because it's ok to mistreat everyone but white people. Dumbass.
oh, and to AmericaFirst.
You forgot to mention that DU has a link to Tsunami Relief Donations: Red Cross/Crescent, Oxfam, UNICEF, Catholic Relief Services, Save the Children plus others.
But then again, that's expected.
"Yeah hes just wearing that shirt cause hes to poor to afford anything else. Your a moron if u beleive that."
How do you know differently. Besides, what's the back say? maybe it says Fuck Osama? Oh wait, you'r stupid. You'd rather jump to conclusions rather than make a unbiased judgement.
"Indonesia is a hot bed for Al Queada. Weren't these the same putzes dancing in the streets after 9-11?"
SO a few people is an entire nation. Well then, than America is a bunch of a KKK Rednecks who like to mass murder people (See Native AMericans), and Germany is a bunch of Nazis. Sterotyping is fun!
"But you bleeding hearts send your money, hopefully you'll be in the next bldg osama and his ilk take down."
Wow, I'm so hurt. I hope a suicide bomber blows you up. Dickweed.
"As far as the rest of the world goes, screw em, they need us more then we need them."
Blah blah blah, tough talk. Easy to say that when you're 13 and living with your parents.
It's short, but the important part is that Austrailia is the top beef exporter. Not US
Meh.
US is best at corn. Not surprised. Nebraska's football team IS the cornhuskers. I miss the good ol' days of Tom Osbourne...
Mr. O
I find it amusing that all you can do is make feeble attempts to insult people while trying to insert a point or two in your mindless rants against those that don't agree with you.
As for you beef claim. This may be the case, but the top agricultural exporter in the world is the US.
2003-04
In millions:
1. US 42,826
Closest nation:
2. France 24,262
"DU unfairly attacked" LMAO... during the hurricane season, there were people there blaming the hurricanes that hit the US on Bush... yeah unfairly attacked - LOL.
"I find it amusing that all you can do is make feeble attempts to insult people while trying to insert a point or two in your mindless rants against those that don't agree with you."
Ah, personal attacks. The last bastion of the conservative who has been completely owned. What's next? Gonna attack my typos?
"As for you beef claim. This may be the case, but the top agricultural exporter in the world is the US."
Already conceded the point. Remembered somehting wrong. Ah well, all of us make mistakes. Conservatives just make more.
""DU unfairly attacked" LMAO... during the hurricane season, there were people there blaming the hurricanes that hit the US on Bush... yeah unfairly attacked - LOL."
In other words, after your first attack on DU was completely dismantled, You attack DU again, but on something that happened months ago and something taken out of context. What's next? You gonna say Jay Leno is a liberal hippie cause he made a joke that God sent the Hurricanes as a warning to Florida?
#31 from Mr. O on January 7, 2005 02:14 AM
oh, and to AmericaFirst.
You forgot to mention that DU has a link to Tsunami Relief Donations: Red Cross/Crescent, Oxfam, UNICEF, Catholic Relief Services, Save the Children plus others.
But then again, that's expected.
Thanks folks for the lively discussion. However, the spirit of comity has diminished to the point to where this thread should be discontinued.